Re: [OSM-legal-talk] transitive contracts

2008-02-22 Thread Gervase Markham
Frederik Ramm wrote: No comments on that by anyone? Rob, Gervase - you're the ones who are most outspoken about copyleft, would such a solution seem acceptable to you, or do you need copyleft to the bitter end? It's not to the bitter end; copyright restrictions fall off after 50 years or

[OSM-legal-talk] Database Law / extracting non-significant amounts of data, and ODL

2008-02-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, the current state of discussion/analysis is that a license like ODL would offer sound legal protection only where database law exists (e.g. in Europe), while for other jurisdictions (e.g. the US) we'd have to rely on the contractual aspect which may be hard because the contract

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify

2008-02-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, there is, in my opinion, nothing ethically wrong with putting a value on intellectual work and demanding compensation (money, attribution, sex, ...) for it. Entirely new licensing options come to mind! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00.09'

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Database Law / extracting non-significant amounts of data, and ODL

2008-02-22 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
On 22 Feb 2008, at 14:14, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, the current state of discussion/analysis is that a license like ODL would offer sound legal protection only where database law exists (e.g. in Europe), while for other jurisdictions (e.g. the US) we'd have to rely on the contractual

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] License

2008-02-22 Thread jo
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 06:14:29PM +, SteveC wrote: If you have anything further to add then please raise it on this list before midnight on Friday 22nd. I've refrained from adding commentary as, not having been an active contributor for while i don't want to assume any role in a

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Deconstructing the loss of data claim

2008-02-22 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
On 20 Feb 2008, at 00:56, Frederik Ramm wrote: Jordan said, in a recent response to one of my posts and comparing ODL to a PD-type license: I personally am neutral on a preference between the two and think that it would be wholly inappropriate for me to recommend one or the other to OSM. I

[OSM-legal-talk] Follow up comments

2008-02-22 Thread Jordan S Hatcher
My apologies if this has been brought up before -- as I mentioned I'm playing catch up to this week's posts on the list. I'm going to just pull some threads in the conversation and comment on them, rather than copying and pasting from people's posts. And just under the deadline... +++ In

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Stephen Hope
This would be good. But even better, let me select a portion of a track log and upload it. My track logs tend to be a nightmarish tangle, with possibly hours of stuff before, after and during the interesting bits. I can use them because I was there, and know where I went, when and why (this is

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Mark Williams
Stephen Hope wrote: This would be good. But even better, let me select a portion of a track log and upload it. My track logs tend to be a nightmarish tangle, with possibly hours of stuff before, after and during the interesting bits. I can use them because I was there, and know where I

Re: [OSM-talk] josm 'move sensitivity'

2008-02-22 Thread Tom Hughes
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Francisco R. Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I had to reconfigure it, changing the threshold from 15 to 5 pixels to make it work smooth (edit.initial-move-threshold=5). Look at this thread:

Re: [OSM-talk] josm 'move sensitivity'

2008-02-22 Thread Francisco R. Santos
Hi Franc Yes, I had to reconfigure it, changing the threshold from 15 to 5 pixels to make it work smooth (edit.initial-move-threshold=5). Look at this thread: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/josm-dev/2008-January/000656.html Regards, Quico On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Franc Carter

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread 80n
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Hope wrote: This would be good. But even better, let me select a portion of a track log and upload it. My track logs tend to be a nightmarish tangle, with possibly hours of stuff before, after and during the

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Jo wrote: Say I would like to set up a server myself. I want to: * show highways more with the colours used on Michelin maps * show a bicycle map as three overlays (transparent, with a possibility to switch them on and off) * show bus routes for each bus separately as

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Jo
Hi Chris, Thanks for your answer. Chris Jones wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Jo wrote: Say I would like to set up a server myself. I want to: * show highways more with the colours used on Michelin maps * show a bicycle map as three overlays (transparent, with a possibility to switch them on

Re: [OSM-talk] josm 'move sensitivity'

2008-02-22 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Hughes schrieb: I suspect the real answer is that you probably want quite a high threshold for ways (it's very rare for me to really want to move an entire way, so having to try hard is good) but a very low threshold (if any at all) for nodes,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify

2008-02-22 Thread Gervase Markham
But personally, I *do* have a principled objection to share-alike. I think it is the choice of the petty-minded, of people who can't let go, who praise themselves as giving something away when in fact they're just laying out a bait; people who really want to control and enforce and sue and

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Jo
Do the transparent layers take the same amount of time to render as the base layer for a given area? Polyglot ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Chris Jones
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Jo wrote: 2. What do I need? PostgreSQL? Python? What else? See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Mapnik It's rather short. Is it really that simple...? How often is the planet file generated? Say I would like to have daily updates instead of weekly. Is that

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the transparent layers take the same amount of time to render as the base layer for a given area? This will depend entirely on what you put on them,

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:29 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do the transparent layers take the same amount of time to render as the base layer

[OSM-talk] Relation history

2008-02-22 Thread Ben Laenen
Can someone tell me if this is the correct url to get the complete history of a relation from the OSM API: http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/relation/5286/history since it only returns Application errors to me. Thanks, Ben ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Relation history

2008-02-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
it's the right URL, but: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/557 patches welcome I'm guessing. On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:39 PM, Ben Laenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone tell me if this is the correct url to get the complete history of a relation from the OSM API:

Re: [OSM-talk] rendering with mapnik, what do I need?

2008-02-22 Thread Tom Chance
Hello, On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:01:39 +0100, Jo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say I would like to set up a server myself. I want to: * show highways more with the colours used on Michelin maps * show a bicycle map as three overlays (transparent, with a possibility to switch them on and off) *

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify

2008-02-22 Thread bvh
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:56:40PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: my back and leave if you were to win. I'd just quietly grumble and point out my ethical superiority. I think it is not helpfull to claim ethical superiority in this debate. For the record : there is, in my opinion, nothing

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 2:47 AM, J.D. Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't bothered with reviving my 300 part of the 55949581 orphaned gpspoints, since the perlscript supplied for that operation indicates I have to re-enter the detailed descriptions again, and that would

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Guilhem Bonnefille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any layer presenting ONLY raw GPS data? Actually, we have Mapnik, Osmarender, Maplint, but what about a layer with only raw GPS data. This could be usefull (at least for me) to manage my own

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] updated RFC: Highway administrative and physical descriptions

2008-02-22 Thread Daniel Challen
in the UK some main A roads have single lane passing places and 10 MPH speed limits while others are much higher quality than most motorways. Are these not edge cases? Any general case model of classification will fail at the edge cases. No classification system will map cleanly onto the real

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Andy Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Guilhem Bonnefille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Is there any layer presenting ONLY raw GPS data? Actually, we have Mapnik, Osmarender, Maplint, but what about a layer with

Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints

2008-02-22 Thread David Earl
On 21/02/2008 23:56, David Earl wrote: One thing I realised just cycling along this evening, having stepped back from the project for a while, is that when you don't have a waypoint at the start it is hard to synchronise on a marker, because it they are sampled, not related to any specific

Re: [OSM-talk] Raw GPS layer

2008-02-22 Thread Mark Williams
80n wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:23 AM, Mark Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Hope wrote: This would be good. But even better, let me select a portion of a track log and upload it. My track logs tend to be a nightmarish tangle, with possibly hours of stuff before, after and

[OSM-talk] Mapnik: rendering forest or wood

2008-02-22 Thread Karl Eichwalder
I think the mapnik rendering of forests could be improved. ATM, landuse=forest is not distinguishable from recreation_ground. Even if forest are often used as places for recreation in Germany, rendering both areas the same way is not optimal. For outside activities you want where wood or forest

Re: [Talk-de] OpenGeoDB Update

2008-02-22 Thread Sven Anders
Am Donnerstag, 21. Februar 2008 19:56 schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hallo, Das Problem mit den Relationen ist, das die API wie im wiki beschrieben noch nicht wirklich funktioniert. Du kannst die Relationen zwar anlegen aber wieder laden (mit einen bestimmten Key/Value) funktioniert noch nicht.

Re: [Talk-de] Darstellung von Tunnels in Osmarender

2008-02-22 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Sven Grüner schrieb: Frederik Ramm schrieb: Versucht ihr mir den Fehler wegzudiskutieren, oder könnt ihr bestätigen, dass das Verhalten des Renderers nicht korrekt ist? Warum und in welcher Form auch immer? Wenn jemand sich berufen fuehlt, das zu

[Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread dieter jasper
Hallo, FürJOSM gibt es z. Z. fast täglich neue Versionen. Wünsche mir, dass man aus JOSM eine Versions-History aufrufen könnte, wo die Änderungen - insbesondere für die Bedienung - übersichtlich abgerufen werden können. Würde zumindest mir als Anfänger die Bedienung erleichtern. MfG Dieter

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Wünsche mir, dass man aus JOSM eine Versions-History aufrufen könnte, wo die Änderungen - insbesondere für die Bedienung - übersichtlich abgerufen werden können. Das beste, was wir haben, ist http://josm.openstreetmap.de/log/?verbose=on Ich habe mal versucht, es etwas schoener

[Talk-de] WMS Server

2008-02-22 Thread Christopher Dyrlich
Hallo, Könnt ihr mir bitte mal nen paar WMS Server nennen, die ich auch in JOSM einbinden kann? Den ich kann mit den Yahoo Luftaufnahmen einfach nix anfangen, da die Auflösung von dennen einfach viel zu schlecht ist um etwas zu erkennen, und ich habe wirklich keine Lust, nodes auf gut glück zu

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread Karl Eichwalder
FürJOSM gibt es z. Z. fast täglich neue Versionen. Ja. Einfach ignorieren :) Wünsche mir, dass man aus JOSM eine Versions-History aufrufen könnte, wo die Änderungen - insbesondere für die Bedienung - übersichtlich abgerufen werden können. Würde zumindest mir als Anfänger die Bedienung

[Talk-de] Sportverein Fußballplatz

2008-02-22 Thread Sven Geggus
Hallo zusammen, wie taggt ihr denn den typischen Fußball-/Sportverein mit oder ohne Halle und diversen Außenanlagen. Typischerweise wäre da einmal das Areal und da wären die Fußball und/oder Tennisplätze selbst. Die Fußballfelder sind mir noch klar, da mach ich leisure = pitch, beim Areal wirds

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Wünsche mir, dass man aus JOSM eine Versions-History aufrufen könnte, wo die Änderungen - insbesondere für die Bedienung - übersichtlich abgerufen werden können. Würde zumindest mir als Anfänger die Bedienung erleichtern. Ich habe das problem dadurch gelöst, dass ich mir

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Bei einem ausgereiften Programm kann man sich das leisten. Wenn Du in JOSM was findest, was Dich beim Arbeiten nervt, und ich Dir dann erklaere, dass ich Dich mit der Release-Praxis von Emacs verwoehnen werde, wuerdest Du sicherlich nicht so reden. Da gibt es einiges, aber ich habe strategien

[Talk-de] Individuelle Online-Karte ist fertig

2008-02-22 Thread Paul Lenz
Meine OSM-Karte mit individuell einstellbaren POI-Icons ist jetzt praktisch fertig: http://www.lenz-online.de/divers/osm/osm.htm Jonas schrieb am 14.2.: Ich denke auch, wenn man noch ein bisschen die Symbole verschönert und ein paar mehr POI?s hinzufügt, wäre es bereit das ganze

Re: [Talk-de] Sportverein Fußballplatz

2008-02-22 Thread Christoph Eckert
Moin, wie taggt ihr denn den typischen Fußball-/Sportverein mit oder ohne Halle und diversen Außenanlagen. ich nehme sport=soccer sport=tennis etc.: http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=48.99985946795283lon=8.32517984253089zoom=17layers=B000F000F Das doppelte Icon kommt daher, dass ich da

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hallo, Da ihr ja leider keinen stabilen zweig pflegt, in dem nur bugs gefixt werden, ist update-vermeidung für mich quasi überlebensnotwendig. Bestuende die Moeglichkeit, dass Du die Energie, die Du in Update- Vermeidung und zynische Postings steckst, stattdessen dazu einsetzt, einen stabilen

Re: [Talk-de] Individuelle Online-Karte ist fertig

2008-02-22 Thread Ulf Lamping
Joerg Ostertag (Munich) schrieb: Also, von der technischen Seite aus halte ich es jetzt f�r bereit. Was noch fehlt, sind ca. 200 Icons... vielleicht erbarmt sich noch jemand und erkl�rt mir etwas genauer, wie ich an die Icons von OSM drankomme. Je nach dem, ob es ein debian Server ist,

Re: [Talk-de] Individuelle Online-Karte ist fertig

2008-02-22 Thread Joerg Ostertag (Munich)
Also, von der technischen Seite aus halte ich es jetzt f�r bereit. Was noch fehlt, sind ca. 200 Icons... vielleicht erbarmt sich noch jemand und erkl�rt mir etwas genauer, wie ich an die Icons von OSM drankomme. Je nach dem, ob es ein debian Server ist, oder eine andere Unix Kiste. Bei

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread dieter jasper
Karl Eichwalder schrieb: FürJOSM gibt es z. Z. fast täglich neue Versionen. Ja. Einfach ignorieren :) Das will ich nicht und es nervt mich auch nicht. Ich möchte Änderungen, die den Umgang mit JOSM und das Editieren erleichtern bei der jeweiligen Revision nachlesen können. In der

Re: [Talk-de] JOSM Entwicklung

2008-02-22 Thread Karl Eichwalder
Das will ich nicht und es nervt mich auch nicht. Was soll man da sagen? Wasch mich, aber mach mich nicht nass!? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-de

Re: [Talk-de] Individuelle Online-Karte ist fertig

2008-02-22 Thread Paul Lenz
P.S: Paul, da du anscheinend mit svn nicht viel anfangen kannst So ist es. Google hat auch zu viele Fundstellen dafür. schicke ich dir in einer seperaten Mail mal eine aktuelle Sammlung der Icons aus den verschiedenen Themes zu Danke, muss nicht sein. Ich habe die Icons jetzt auf

Re: [Talk-GB] Greetings and hello GARMIN users -OpenMapSourceanyone ?

2008-02-22 Thread Mike Paley
- Original Message - From: Stephen Wing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org A group of us are working on a pre-packaged option for Garmin users, which may suit some users better than downloading large files and installing a range of applications to achieve this. We plan

Re: [Talk-GB] Are we all terrorists?

2008-02-22 Thread Mike Paley
- Original Message - From: Tom Higgy [EMAIL PROTECTED] I got stop-searched today at B'ham New Street station, something related to counter-terrorism. On the little pink slip they gave me under 'object(s) of search' it says 'articles of terrorism.' I did mention I carried a GPS for making