Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Matthias Julius
SteveC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'm all for lat/lng to be a user-enabled display option, but it's > delusional to think that most people on the planet care and I > personally want most people on the planet using our maps. And I don't think that most people on the planet mind a set of sma

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Matthias Julius
"Dermot McNally" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Consider your word-processing package. Most will allow you to set > margins and positions in a number of units: millimetres, centimetres, > ems, points, possibly variable concepts like lines and even really > wacky units like inches. But the represent

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread SteveC
On 10 Oct 2008, at 07:06, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > elvin ibbotson wrote: >> Steve, >> >> It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and >> posting >> elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent attempt to I'll take elitism over populism or relativism. See:

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/10 Ed Loach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > It seems wrong if anyone can just amend Map Features even if their > preferred method is in the minority. That way leads to chaos. I'm > more than tempted to add "or add an mph suffix to the speed" in the > maxspeed= comments field, to document what is al

[OSM-legal-talk] Using JOSM + Yahoo Maps Aerial Imagery for Public Domain Release

2008-10-10 Thread Sunburned Surveyor
Could you map ways using JOSM and Yahoo aerial photography, export the ways for a data set released under the public domain, and then import into OSM? Or does the interpretation of the Yahoo Maps terms-of-use require the data created with the aerial imagery to be released only under the OSM license

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Lance Dyas
Jonathan Bennett wrote: > elvin ibbotson wrote: > >> Steve, >> >> It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and posting >> elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent attempt to >> make you look foolish. I look forward to it being demonstrated that >> 'most peopl

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag for Shopping Maill?

2008-10-10 Thread Peter Herison
Bernt M. Johnsen schrieb: >I can't find a tag for shopping mall. How do people tag them? Try "mall" in the search area of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/ and you'll get: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Mall ___ talk mailing li

Re: [OSM-talk] Tag for Shopping Maill?

2008-10-10 Thread Cartinus
On Friday 10 October 2008 23:45:09 Bernt M. Johnsen wrote: > I can't find a tag for shopping mall. How do people tag them? One ore more: building=yes name=* Next to it one or several: amenity=parking then enclose them all in one: landuse=retail If the shopping mall consists of multiple building

[OSM-talk] Tag for Shopping Maill?

2008-10-10 Thread Bernt M. Johnsen
I can't find a tag for shopping mall. How do people tag them? -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Ed Loach
Chris wrote: > My comment was more to point out that changing the Map features > by > adding the editor's favourite option as though it was an > accepted norm > while the discussion about the options was still taking place > seemed a > bit premature to me. And perhaps as this discussion is limite

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Matthias Julius
Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Since we have user management anyway, we could also just have a user > preference that says "with or without coordinates". Anonymous surfers > would get the map without, logged-in members would see what they prefer. I don't think requiring users to cr

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Ulf Mehlig wrote: > Coordinate display could also be switched on/off > via the layers dialog -- people who are scared off by coordinates won't > open it, would they? Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio's suggestion to display > coordinates when the mouse pointer lingers for some seconds at the same > s

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: > There's no dispensation in the proposed license for a "Master" > database. But there is a distinction between a "database" and "data". I always thought that what I collect with my GPS is just "data", and only becomes a "database" when combined with the work of others and arran

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread 80n
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > 80n wrote: > > And, of course, the same rules will also apply to the main OSM database, > > Will they? > > I always thought that in the future, what I contribute to OSM is not a > database, and OSM is not a databas

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:53:11 +0100 you wrote: >Philip Homburg wrote: > >> In your letter dated Wed, 8 Oct 2008 17:18:16 +0100 you wrote: >>> You need to set the displayProjection parameter on the control to get >>> it to give you lat/lons. >>> eg: map.addControl(new >>> OpenLayers

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Ulf Mehlig
I think the fact that several people presented more or less fiddly ways to obtain coordinates from the OSM map shows that there is at least some need to have a coordinate display feature for www.openstreetmap.org. I don't see that coordinates inserted below "Permalink" (as in Frederik's example) or

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, 80n wrote: > And, of course, the same rules will also apply to the main OSM database, Will they? I always thought that in the future, what I contribute to OSM is not a database, and OSM is not a database aggregator, but instead I contribute individual data items, which only become a datab

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Chris Hill
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Chris Hill wrote: >> [listens for the sound of the voting request email to arrive - hears >> nothing] > > Voting is optional. We could do with a lot less if you ask me. If more > people would just go ahead and tag something... I have the impression > that many newc

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Paid services from OSM

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > It only says "you must also _offer_ to recipients" (my emphasis), not > "you must provide in case anyone wants it" - it's like the GPL in > that regard. So you don't have to upload a new dump of the whole > derivative db (or a diff of your changes) every time y

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, > In my opinion the voting process is broken, as it can potentially vote > in proposals that will break backwards compatibility and require > extensively more complex processing of the data. Maybe we should make sure that the voting pages carry a disclaimer saying: "You are voting for a r

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio
"yay, you're a real mapper." Those five seconds of happiness create an emotional link between the newcomer and OSM, which I think is a great triumph for the latter. cheers, Lucas = Hi, Chris Hill wrote: > [listens for the sound of the voting request email to arrive - hears >

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Chris Hill wrote: > [listens for the sound of the voting request email to arrive - hears > nothing] Voting is optional. We could do with a lot less if you ask me. If more people would just go ahead and tag something... I have the impression that many newcomers seem to view this as some kin

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting process (was: Re: Map Features, maxspeed and maplint)

2008-10-10 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Tordanik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shaun McDonald schrieb: >> In my opinion the voting process is broken, as it can potentially vote >> in proposals that will break backwards compatibility and require >> extensively more complex processing of the data. Take for e

[OSM-talk] Voting on platform (railway and bus)started

2008-10-10 Thread Thorsten Feles
As there are no new commends in the RFC for a while, I just started the voting on the platform tag. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/platform Thorsten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Eric Wolf
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Jonathan Bennett < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > elvin ibbotson wrote: > > Steve, > > > > It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and posting > > elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent attempt to > > make you look foolish. I lo

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread elvin ibbotson
> On 10 Oct 2008, at 15:06, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > >> elvin ibbotson wrote: >>> Steve, >>> >>> It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and >>> posting >>> elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent >>> attempt to >>> make you look foolish. I look forward t

[OSM-talk] Voting process (was: Re: Map Features, maxspeed and maplint)

2008-10-10 Thread Tordanik
Shaun McDonald schrieb: > In my opinion the voting process is broken, as it can potentially vote > in proposals that will break backwards compatibility and require > extensively more complex processing of the data. Take for example: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Status

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Ed Loach
> maxspeed:mph only conforms to map features because Shaun > amended it > earlier today! And the way it has been amended with two keys in one table row means that if the perl script is run that rebuilds the xml that is used to generate the maplint not-in-mapfeatures validation rules, then max

Re: [OSM-talk] map display www.openstreetmap.org

2008-10-10 Thread Jonathan Bennett
elvin ibbotson wrote: > Steve, > > It looks like fakeSteveC or someone is pretending to be you and posting > elitist, patronising, condescending rubbish in an apparent attempt to > make you look foolish. I look forward to it being demonstrated that > 'most people don't know what coordinates are'.

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Shaun McDonald wrote: > (I'm wondering if there is a station out there that has all the > railway=platforms mapped, rather than just placing a footpath to the > railway=station node.) Guildford station is pretty close, thanks to TimSC. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett)

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 10 Oct 2008, at 14:27, Chris Hill wrote: Dermot McNally wrote: 2008/10/10 Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Conversions to 0dp is inaccurate, accurate conversions are a mess, namespacing allows for conflicting values so only an optional suffix really makes sense, so this why I use. W

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/10 Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > maxspeed:mph only conforms to map features because Shaun amended it earlier > today! > > [listens for the sound of the voting request email to arrive - hears > nothing] Well, two wrongs and all that. Though its worse, IMHO, to do a poo in another m

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Chris Hill
Dermot McNally wrote: > 2008/10/10 Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> Conversions to 0dp is inaccurate, accurate conversions are a mess, >> namespacing allows for conflicting values so only an optional suffix really >> makes sense, so this why I use. >> > > Well, maxspeed:mph would also

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Ed Loach wrote: >Sent: 05 October 2008 1:46 PM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint > > >"(restore metrics text, although it should be discussed)". I don't know >where to find the versions pre 2008 to find out what it said on older >versions. > Map

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/10 Chris Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Conversions to 0dp is inaccurate, accurate conversions are a mess, > namespacing allows for conflicting values so only an optional suffix really > makes sense, so this why I use. Well, maxspeed:mph would also work for your purposes. The only difference

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Chris Hill
Dermot McNally wrote: > >> It makes more >> sense to have maxspeed=> specified> to avoid the chance of that happening. >> > > Doing so prevents simple numerical analysis of the field contents. > Nothing can be analysed without pre-processing, and you are very prone > to dodgy units (how many w

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/8 Ed Loach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I'd argue that it doesn't make sense, in that if you allow both > maxspeed:mph and maxspeed as valid tags, a way may end up tagged > with both showing contradictory speed information. This would require either 2 mappers not heeding each other's work or on

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Shaun McDonald
On 10 Oct 2008, at 10:24, Tristan Scott wrote: I added the conversion table to maxspeed, as I do a lot of maxspeed tagging in my area. I read the maxspeed definition as needing a numeric value in km/h. While km/h doesn't mean a lot to me, I does to whatever app I use to draw speed limit si

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Dermot McNally
2008/10/8 Simon Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > "en" is a language code, not a country code. Not all English-speaking > countries use imperial units on road signs. I think Australia uses > metric, for example. So does the Republic of Ireland. In fact, I believe the only English-speakers that don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Map Features, maxspeed and maplint

2008-10-10 Thread Tristan Scott
I added the conversion table to maxspeed, as I do a lot of maxspeed tagging in my area. I read the maxspeed definition as needing a numeric value in km/h. While km/h doesn't mean a lot to me, I does to whatever app I use to draw speed limit signs (or, more likely, whatever app runs a satnav system

[OSM-legal-talk] Legal advice

2008-10-10 Thread Daniel Yates
Hi, Is anyone on the list able to recommend a specialist lawyer familiar with the various licensing arrangements of the different map providers? Would be grateful for any suggestions, Thanks, Dan ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists

Re: [OSM-talk] script to make gps traces public ?

2008-10-10 Thread Alex S.
Franc Carter wrote: > does anyone know of a script that I can use to make all of my gps traces > public, as I often forget to click the public checkbox I would like to see a profile setting that allows one to choose whether that box is checked by default. __

[OSM-talk] uploading maps to nokia E71

2008-10-10 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
hi, I have a custom map built with osmarender and a nokia E71. I want to know: 1. can i upload this map to the E71 and use it for navigation? It is in svg format. Or do I need to make it in some other format. 2. how about the osm map itself - what is the best way to get it into the E71 and use