Re: [OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread maning sambale
Thanks for all the insights. Just a thought, legally designating cycleways and routes in the Phil., won't come anytime soon. Partly due to poor urban planning and others. But I digress, back to mapping. On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Richard Mann wrote: > If the routes are fairly immutable -

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?

2009-06-02 Thread Mark Williams
Matías Iturburu wrote: > Hello list. Newbie here. > > I work for a small press plublishing shop in my city, for a number of > years we have been developing and selling the most complete map of the > city and towns nearby, being the de-facto reference for all the > citizens, bus and taxi drivers

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?

2009-06-02 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 17:16 -0300, Matías Iturburu wrote: > Hello list. Newbie here. > > I work for a small press plublishing shop in my city, for a number of > years we have been developing and selling the most complete map of the > city and towns nearby, being the de-facto reference for all the

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Miller
On 2 Jun 2009, at 22:09, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2009/6/2 Kev : >> >>> I can't always tell the difference when a Trunk and a >>> Primary I know of Primary that could be retagged as Trunk as they >>> are >>> great big dual carriage ways with slip roads etc eg A289 to Hoo. >>> >> Both Primar

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?

2009-06-02 Thread Matías Iturburu
2009/6/2 Iván Sánchez Ortega > El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: > [...] > > > I'm sure somebody from AND would be able to shed somelight over this. > > > > on that last sentence I guess you mean legal-talk AND talk-ar. Correct me > > if I'm wrong. > > No, I mean AND as in

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?

2009-06-02 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: [...] > > I'm sure somebody from AND would be able to shed somelight over this. > > on that last sentence I guess you mean legal-talk AND talk-ar. Correct me > if I'm wrong. No, I mean AND as in "Automobile Navigation Devices", the guys who

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?

2009-06-02 Thread Matías Iturburu
2009/6/2 Iván Sánchez Ortega > El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: > > So the question arises, it is possible for us to have most of our > > cartography on osm and still being able to print (and sell) our > directory? > > This may be a question for legal-talk or even talk-ar,

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?

2009-06-02 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Matías Iturburu escribió: > So the question arises, it is possible for us to have most of our > cartography on osm and still being able to print (and sell) our directory? This may be a question for legal-talk or even talk-ar, but anyway: - Make sure you have rights

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/6/2 Kev : > >> I can't always tell the difference when a Trunk and a >> Primary I know of Primary that could be retagged as Trunk as they are >> great big dual carriage ways with slip roads etc eg A289 to Hoo. >> > Both Primary and Trunk get green signs - but only the latter are > maintained

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Ed Loach
> Both Primary and Trunk get green signs - but only the latter > are > maintained by The Highway's Agency (in England) Except in OSM, where Trunk means a primary road with a green side, and Primary means other A road. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway#Values The "Trunk" value seems

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Kev
> I can't always tell the difference when a Trunk and a > Primary I know of Primary that could be retagged as Trunk as they are > great big dual carriage ways with slip roads etc eg A289 to Hoo. > Both Primary and Trunk get green signs - but only the latter are maintained by The Highway's Age

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - mtb:description

2009-06-02 Thread k...@vielevisels
Hi, just started the voting for the feature mtb:description. For details see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/mtb:description Kaivi___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] OSM based printed directory, possible?

2009-06-02 Thread Matías Iturburu
Hello list. Newbie here. I work for a small press plublishing shop in my city, for a number of years we have been developing and selling the most complete map of the city and towns nearby, being the de-facto reference for all the citizens, bus and taxi drivers, as well as for tourist in town. Lat

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Richard Mann
I'd stick to the ABC classifications, except where a road is clearly over-classified (ie it's been bypassed, or blocked to through traffic). This can happen because of reluctance to declassify a road (which means less money to spend on maintaining it). British A&B roads tend to be through roads b

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Childs
2009/6/2 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) : > Peter Miller wrote: >>Sent: 02 June 2009 5:31 PM >>To: Talk Openstreetmap >>Subject: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not? >> >> >>I have used primary, secondary and tertiary to indicate relative >>traffic levels on roads in Ips

Re: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Peter Miller wrote: >Sent: 02 June 2009 5:31 PM >To: Talk Openstreetmap >Subject: [OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not? > > >I have used primary, secondary and tertiary to indicate relative >traffic levels on roads in Ipswich rather than any strict >classification. For exam

Re: [OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-06-02 Thread Dave Stubbs
2009/6/2 Ed Loach : >> "Important to who?" > > A good question. Perhaps "prominence" rather than important? > > I'm in two minds about the proposal. It feels like it is tagging for > the renderer, but could be argued that it is providing information > about how well known a place is to allow the re

Re: [OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Ed Loach wrote: >> "Important to who?" > > A good question. Perhaps "prominence" rather than important? Using synonyms for "Importance" doesn't answer the basic question. Anything not based on observable fact is inherently subjective. There are many ways to arrive at your own score for "importa

[OSM-talk] When is a road a secondary road and when is it not?

2009-06-02 Thread Peter Miller
I have used primary, secondary and tertiary to indicate relative traffic levels on roads in Ipswich rather than any strict classification. For example Landseer Road in Ipswich which is heavily with lorries, buses and commuters, so bad that the council have proposed building a new road to

Re: [OSM-talk] How do we specify relative importance of features across all types of features?

2009-06-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/6/2 Nic Roets : > 2009/6/2 Iván Sánchez Ortega >> >> El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Jonathan Bennett escribió: >> > Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: >> > > Any comments? >> > >> > "Important to who?" >> >> And important for what? > > Well, if you are drawing a map then you want to know if something

Re: [OSM-talk] How do we specify relative importance of features across all types of features?

2009-06-02 Thread Nic Roets
2009/6/2 Iván Sánchez Ortega > El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Jonathan Bennett escribió: > > Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > > Any comments? > > > > "Important to who?" > > And important for what? > Well, if you are drawing a map then you want to know if something is important for navigation. Lik

[OSM-talk] (no subject)

2009-06-02 Thread Ed Loach
> "Important to who?" A good question. Perhaps "prominence" rather than important? I'm in two minds about the proposal. It feels like it is tagging for the renderer, but could be argued that it is providing information about how well known a place is to allow the renderers to make more useful jud

Re: [OSM-talk] How do we specify relative importance of fea tures across all types of features?

2009-06-02 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Martes, 2 de Junio de 2009, Jonathan Bennett escribió: > Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > > Any comments? > > "Important to who?" And important for what? -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega El poeta es un fingidor.- Fernando Pessoa. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] How do we specify relative importance of features across all types of features?

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: > Any comments? > "Important to who?" -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] How do we specify relative importance of features across all types of features?

2009-06-02 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Hello all, I've wondered what the "Feature's popularity" field was for in Google Map Maker and I think I've found a use case for it. Please check this OSM view out: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.14189&lon=121.02199&zoom=17&layers=B000FTF. It shows Mt. Sungay as a prominent label and this ob

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread Richard Mann
If the routes are fairly immutable - ie they're the routes that anyone studying the problem would probably end up with, or wouldn't dispute, then I think it's reasonable to add them to the map. The routes are fixed; they just lack signposting. If however, they're just the favourite route among sev

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread Stephan Plepelits
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:53:49PM +0200, Jacek Konieczny wrote: > On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:19:56PM +0800, maning sambale wrote: > > In the Philippines there are very few (close to nothing I know of) > > officially designated cycleways and routes. However, local > > cycling/mtb clubs have create

Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch and sketching from aerial imagery

2009-06-02 Thread Claudius
Am 02.06.2009 07:37, Ed Loach: >> FWIW I personally think highway=road is not generally of much >> use in 90% of >> cases. Whether you're tracing from Yahoo or NPE or whatever, >> you can very >> often work out what highway value the road should have. > > Yes, but if highway=road were in the list,

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

2009-06-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/6/2 Jonathan Bennett : > Unfortunate as that is, it just reinforces my second point: Don't try to > solve a problem that you haven't actually encountered yet. I just answered your question if somebody knows two architects with the same name ;-) Martin ___

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

2009-06-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/6/2 Jonathan Bennett : > ...and how many buildings designed by either have you tagged so far? > well, Albert Speer and Partner (which is the Junior, still living and practising) are mostly known as urban planners: http://www.as-p.de/ (though the designed some buildings as well), but not where

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > if you didn't destroy them... ;-) Ah, they were clients of AT Harris Urban Remodelling Services? Unfortunate as that is, it just reinforces my second point: Don't try to solve a problem that you haven't actually encountered yet. -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) _

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Bennett
...and how many buildings designed by either have you tagged so far? -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 12:43:06PM +0100, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > That doesn't necessarily work -- if the routes aren't waymarked on the > ground, the only source of the route is the organisations' own > publications, to which they have automatic copyright. Unless we have > their permission in wr

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Albert Speer. > Father and son, quite notorious case by the way... > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Speer,_Jr. > > the grand father http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Friedrich_Speer > also was an architect, but ther

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Jacek Konieczny wrote: > If the clubs have documented and are maintaining the routes, then they > are official enough. Just use the "operator" tag to mark which club is > responsible for which route. "network" tag could be also used for that, > but it is currently used rather for describing network

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - architect=*

2009-06-02 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Tobias Knerr wrote: > "Relations are not Categories" uses the argument that you can query for > all objects that carry a tag. This isn't enough, however, if the > combined information from tags and coordinates doesn't qualify as an > unique identifier. The situation for architects, imo, resembles

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread Richard Fairhurst
maning sambale wrote: > In the Philippines there are very few (close to nothing I > know of) officially designated cycleways and routes. However, > local cycling/mtb clubs have created/established routes for > their own purpose. Any advice on how to tag these routes? If they're not "on the g

Re: [OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Tue, Jun 02, 2009 at 04:19:56PM +0800, maning sambale wrote: > In the Philippines there are very few (close to nothing I know of) > officially designated cycleways and routes. However, local > cycling/mtb clubs have created/established routes for their own > purpose. Any advice on how to tag t

[OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (dance_hall)

2009-06-02 Thread Juho Rutila
Proposal Page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/dance_hall This is proposal for tagging dance halls, places intended just for dancing. There is no (at least I didn't find) applicable tag yet. Dance halls are not restaurants nor pubs. -Juho

[OSM-talk] tagging "unofficial" cycle routes

2009-06-02 Thread maning sambale
Hi, In the Philippines there are very few (close to nothing I know of) officially designated cycleways and routes. However, local cycling/mtb clubs have created/established routes for their own purpose. Any advice on how to tag these routes? -- cheers, maning -