Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Am Donnerstag 02 Juli 2009 schrieb Marcus Wolschon: > Guys... what could it hurt to set up an ipv6.openstreetmap.org > with only an -record or with and A -records pointing at > the 6to4 -address associated with the current IPv4-addresse(s) > to let users and admins experiment without caus

[OSM-talk] Communications tower/transponders

2009-07-01 Thread Simon Wood
I have had a go at tidying the proposed tags for communication towers and would welcome any comments. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Communications_tower http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Communications_Transponder Cheers, Simon. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] passive user inputs

2009-07-01 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Russ Nelson wrote: > wifi.  How can  > we use massive amounts of car tracks? How do you want to use them? Actually this topic sort of come up recently on talk-au, firstly you can take all the data, remove spurious track information and "average" the results to come up w

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Marcus Wolschon
Guys... what could it hurt to set up an ipv6.openstreetmap.org with only an -record or with and A -records pointing at the 6to4 -address associated with the current IPv4-addresse(s) to let users and admins experiment without causing any issues with the openstreetmap.org -name? It is auto

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread Steve Singer
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, maning sambale wrote: > Hi, > > These are all new nodes and ways (protected area boundaries) converted > from a shapefile using polyshp2osm.py. > I did manual modifications using josm but since josm has limits for > each changeset, I tried th bulk_upload script. > > Another wei

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread maning sambale
After a bit of sleep, I was able to do it with the http://www.openstreetmap.pl/balrog/bulkupload/ utilities. The data was not uploaded because it has a way with 4000 ++ nodes. The upload.py reported this "error" so I was able to edit the data in JOSM. Personally, I prefer to upload everything via J

[OSM-talk] Ensuring Cyclewyays/Footways are routable?

2009-07-01 Thread simon
I had a little play with Cloudmade's routing stuff and it wasn't quite working for me. http://maps.cloudmade.com/?lat=51.103306&lng=-114.079413&zoom=15&directions=51.10050375773113,-114.0750789642334,51.10594712658125,-114.08280372619629&travel=foot&styleId=3697 Both foot and cycle routes tak

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing duplicate nodes/ways

2009-07-01 Thread Robert Naylor
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:12:06 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > Alice Kaerast wrote: >> Is there any way that changesets #1420511 and #1420511 can be >> reverted? > > I'm trying my hand at it now. Both numbers given above are the same, did > you mean another changeset besides 1420511? > > By

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing duplicate nodes/ways

2009-07-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Alice Kaerast wrote: > Is there any way that changesets #1420511 and #1420511 can be > reverted? I'm trying my hand at it now. Both numbers given above are the same, did you mean another changeset besides 1420511? Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread Tom Hughes
On 01/07/09 16:58, Alice Kaerast wrote: > The PHP bulk uploader does indeed fine if all you want to do is upload > *new* nodes. It causes duplicates if you try uploading existing data. > The PHP uploader may need modifying slightly to handle curl not liking > the OSM API, ie. > > curl_setopt($ch,

Re: [OSM-talk] Revert changeset (was Fixing duplicate nodes/ways)

2009-07-01 Thread Robert Naylor
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 14:16 +0100, an Alice Kaerast wrote: > > Is there any way that changesets #1420511 and #1420511 can be > reverted? I would imagine not given that work has continued since > then. Alternatively, how can we remove all the duplicate nodes and > ways over this large area? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: > > On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Thomas Schäfer wrote: > > Maybe we should move the OSM-servers to the netherlands, because the > > UK is not > > able to serve the world. > > I appreciate your enthusiasm for IPv6, Thomas, but this topic is > essen

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Claudius wrote: > There are not enough IPv4 adresses for Africa and Latin America already > which is why they are assigning IPv6 only already. Now with the new east > african internet cable this might lead to even more IPv6 users in > potential OSM countries, but... all those IPv6 users can

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Claudius
Am 01.07.2009 22:12, Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > Thomas Schäfer wrote: >> Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, because >> osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, then is no >> further discussion about it. > > Let's be pragmatic here like we usually

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Jonathan Bennett: > Thomas Schäfer wrote: > > Lets solving the Chicken-and-egg problem in ipv6 by simply doing it. > > OK -- when are you available to set it up? To enable radvd at the router? To add some /PTR-Records at the DNS? To check the firewall and to

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > Thomas Schäfer wrote: > > Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, > > because osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, > > then is no further discussion about it. > > Let's be pragmatic here

Re: [OSM-talk] How to merge relations ?

2009-07-01 Thread Carsten Nielsen
Thank you, it worked. Tyler skrev: > You could select the smaller relation in JOSM go the the relation > viewer, select all of the members of the relation. Go to the larger > relation and do add selected members. > > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Carsten Nielsen > mailto:list_re...@toensberg.dk

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Nic Roets wrote: > And if the user indicates that he just wants to add a PoI, redirect him to > http://ae.osmsurround.org/ so that he can add it directly to the database. That's the point I was trying to make - do not hog all the bugs in one central place and allow users to do only what you

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Frederik Ramm wrote: > Thomas Schäfer wrote: >> Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, because >> osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, then is no >> further discussion about it. > > Let's be p

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jonathan Bennett wrote: > Stefan de Konink wrote: > >> Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :) > > Great idea! How long do you think it will take you? For me probably about an hour if Jeroen is online ;) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Versi

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Thread Adam Schreiber
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Nic Roets wrote: > On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:22 PM, SteveC wrote: >> >> You go to http://bugs.openstreetmap.org/ >> >> There's a big map of bugs which looks similar to OSB. It doesn't know >> who you are and drops you in to beginner mode which shows bugs that > > I l

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Thomas Schäfer wrote: > Discussions about Ipv6 is not wasted hot air. It is related to osm, because > osm should be based on it, but isn't. It shoud simply be done, then is no > further discussion about it. Let's be pragmatic here like we usually are. If we were to switch to IPv6 today (wh

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Thomas Schäfer wrote: > Lets solving the Chicken-and-egg problem in ipv6 by simply doing it. OK -- when are you available to set it up? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Stefan de Konink wrote: > Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :) Great idea! How long do you think it will take you? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Thread Nic Roets
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:22 PM, SteveC wrote: > > You go to http://bugs.openstreetmap.org/ > > There's a big map of bugs which looks similar to OSB. It doesn't know > who you are and drops you in to beginner mode which shows bugs that I like this. If it's idiot proof and it does not slow the we

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Russ Nelson: > On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Thomas Schäfer wrote: > > Maybe we should move the OSM-servers to the netherlands, because the > > UK is not > > able to serve the world. > > I appreciate your enthusiasm for IPv6, Thomas, but this topic is > essentially co

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Russ Nelson
On Jul 1, 2009, at 2:47 PM, Thomas Schäfer wrote: > Maybe we should move the OSM-servers to the netherlands, because the > UK is not > able to serve the world. I appreciate your enthusiasm for IPv6, Thomas, but this topic is essentially completely unrelated to OpenStreetMap. When the time

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, SteveC wrote: > But, and this is key, it also has a RESTful API for mass uploading of > bugs. > > We need to do two things - unify the various bug systems and expose > more of the bugs. I believe that the types of bugs one can look for are quite different. You'd have to build a very goo

[OSM-talk] passive user inputs

2009-07-01 Thread Russ Nelson
Apparently Teleatlas has been using passive user inputs. Also, the mp3Car folks already have GPS units in their cars that can do logging, and are connected to the Internet if only at home via wifi. How can we use massive amounts of car tracks? http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/mp3car-blog-ta

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb Sander Hoentjen: > Heh well if you insist on viewing osm over ipv6 you can always visit the > netherlands: > > tile.openstreetmap.nl is an alias for productie.openstreetmap.nl. > productie.openstreetmap.nl has address 93.186.179.161 > productie.openstreetmap.nl has

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Stefan de Konink schrieb am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009: > - gpg control packet > > Jonathan Bennett wrote: > > Thomas Schäfer wrote: > >> No, the answer was not satisfying. > > > > What part of "it's not under our control" didn't you understand? > > Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :) "I" have fun. I

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Thread Tom Chance
Steve, All good ideas, as data becomes ever more densely and confusingly packed (just open Potlach in a completed Germany city!) the OSB site offers a nice way for Human Beings to get involved. Three thoughts: 1 - Being able to show which logged-in users submitted bugs would be a great help fo

Re: [OSM-talk] How to merge relations ?

2009-07-01 Thread Tyler
You could select the smaller relation in JOSM go the the relation viewer, select all of the members of the relation. Go to the larger relation and do add selected members. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Carsten Nielsen wrote: > It seems that the Danish National Cycle Network 8 has been put in t

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Jonathan Bennett schrieb am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009: > Thomas Schäfer wrote: > > No, the answer was not satisfying. > > What part of "it's not under our control" didn't you understand? Do you mean this part of the answer from 2007: "Well we're largely dependent on UCL (and Bytemark to a lesser exte

[OSM-talk] How to merge relations ?

2009-07-01 Thread Carsten Nielsen
It seems that the Danish National Cycle Network 8 has been put in two seperate relations (208282 and 131762). What is the easiest way to merge those two relations ? They "only" have 129 and 180 members so it would be possible to merge them manually, but I expect this is a more generic problem so th

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009 schrieb OJ W: > Improving the net in other directions, can the OSM servers be made > contactable via the I2P network? This is a totaly different problem. Regards, Thomas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://list

Re: [OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-01 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 1 de Julio de 2009, Mike Collinson escribió: > Last year we had some great Limerick poems for the Limerick State Of the > Map Conference. This year, the format is the Haiku. Maps maps maps maps maps maps maps! -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Un ordenador

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread maning sambale
Hi, These are all new nodes and ways (protected area boundaries) converted from a shapefile using polyshp2osm.py. I did manual modifications using josm but since josm has limits for each changeset, I tried th bulk_upload script. Another weird thing is: Osm v

[OSM-talk] Second Grand State Of the Map Poetry Competition!!

2009-07-01 Thread Mike Collinson
A really important poetry event that I almost forgot about. SOTM 2009 is almost with us and over 200 people coming. 201 if you have forgotten to register. Last year we had some great Limerick poems for the Limerick State Of the Map Conference. This year, the format is the Haiku. Contributio

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/7/1 maning sambale : > Hi, > > I get this error using bulk_upload.py: > > $ python bulk_upload.py --input=pas_osm.osm --user= > --password= --comment="*" > bulk_upload.py:42: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated >  import sets > Uploading change set:1701375 > Error upl

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Ondrej Novy
hi, On Wed, Jul 01, 2009 at 04:20:55PM +, John Smith wrote: > Have you asked your provider lately about IPv6 address space? Most providers > seem to be setting up IPv6 silently and/or more proactive lately when it > comes to IPv6. this is true, completly silent most of them :). > Alternati

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Stefan de Konink
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Jonathan Bennett wrote: > Thomas Schäfer wrote: >> No, the answer was not satisfying. > > What part of "it's not under our control" didn't you understand? Set up a SixXS tunnel and have fun :) Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread Steve Singer
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, maning sambale wrote: > Hi, > > I get this error using bulk_upload.py: > > $ python bulk_upload.py --input=pas_osm.osm --user= > --password= --comment="*" > bulk_upload.py:42: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated > import sets > Uploading change set:17

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread John Smith
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > What part of "it's not under our control" didn't you > understand? Have you asked your provider lately about IPv6 address space? Most providers seem to be setting up IPv6 silently and/or more proactive lately when it comes to IPv6. Alternatively

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Thomas Schäfer wrote: > No, the answer was not satisfying. What part of "it's not under our control" didn't you understand? -- Jonathan (Jonobennett) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread OJ W
Improving the net in other directions, can the OSM servers be made contactable via the I2P network? On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Thomas Schäfer wrote: > sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the > application "osm" via "internet". But the fundament of the internet (

[OSM-talk] Education talk at SOTM

2009-07-01 Thread Sarah Manley
Hello All, I am working on a talk about OSM + Education for SOTM. If you have any projects / curriculum / initiatives that you would like included or to share with me, please contact me. Thanks! Sarah Sarah Manley Community Ambassdor sa...@cloudmade.com Cell: 415-254-3050 Skype: Sarah_cloud

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread Alice Kaerast
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:49:48 +0200 Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote: > El Miércoles, 1 de Julio de 2009, maning sambale escribió: > > I get this error using bulk_upload.py: > [...] > > Any advice? > > Try the PHP bulk uploader :-D > > The PHP bulk uploader does indeed fine if all you want to do is up

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Jonathan Bennett schrieb am Mittwoch 01 Juli 2009: > Asked and answered. No, the answer was not satisfying. > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-October/018603.html Now we have 2009! Regards, Thomas Schäfer ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Bus routes questions

2009-07-01 Thread simon
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 08:50:30PM +0200, Ondrej Novy wrote: > There is a proposal on the table that solves all these things and much > more: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/Public_transport_schema > I like this proposal, it seems to cover most things that I can think off. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Miércoles, 1 de Julio de 2009, maning sambale escribió: > I get this error using bulk_upload.py: [...] > Any advice? Try the PHP bulk uploader :-D -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega Lo he comprobado con mucho cuidado y ésa es exactamente la respuesta. Para ser franc

[OSM-talk] upload error using bulk_upload.py

2009-07-01 Thread maning sambale
Hi, I get this error using bulk_upload.py: $ python bulk_upload.py --input=pas_osm.osm --user= --password= --comment="*" bulk_upload.py:42: DeprecationWarning: the sets module is deprecated import sets Uploading change set:1701375 Error uploading changeset:404 Any advice? -- cheer

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Jonathan Bennett
Thomas Schäfer wrote: > Therefore my appeal: Ask your next admin/provider for ipv6 , make a plan and > make the network working, add the to dns an be happy. Solve the "little" > problems . Asked and answered. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2007-October/018603.html -- Jonat

Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Sander Hoentjen
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 16:43 +0200, Thomas Schäfer wrote: > Hello, > > > sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the > application "osm" via "internet". But the fundament of the internet (its > protocol) is changing. > > Therefore my appeal: Ask your next admin/provide

Re: [OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Thread Renaud Martinet
I think there was some talk about that last year (march or june) when OSB appeared. If I remember, people liked the interface because it's rather nice and it lowers the entry level. So more people submit bugs and eventually also fix them, we get a better map and all is well. But it has also been sa

[OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6

2009-07-01 Thread Thomas Schäfer
Hello, sorry the theme is for the most of the people off topic. They use the application "osm" via "internet". But the fundament of the internet (its protocol) is changing. Therefore my appeal: Ask your next admin/provider for ipv6 , make a plan and make the network working, add the to d

Re: [OSM-talk] Error in wiki tag {{Language-Mapper}} for Spanish

2009-07-01 Thread Ivan Garcia
Thanks a lot Maarten, good to see that fast answer. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: > Ivan Garcia wrote: > > Hi, I've just realized that the list of languages displayed in the wiki > of > > openstreetmap.org shows 'Espanol' instead of 'Español' (correct), can > you > > guys f

[OSM-talk] The future of bugs in OSM

2009-07-01 Thread SteveC
I've been thinking a bit about how bugs work in OSM. I really like the way OSB works http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/ But it's closed source afaik and doesn't have an API. It uses human input. new OSB is cool and tries to fix some of this http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/U

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Land Information New Zealand (LINZ) -> Openstreetmap import first pass

2009-07-01 Thread andrzej zaborowski
2009/6/30 Joe Richards : > I've been working on the LINZ data import, on attribution/legal as well > as the actual import.  The LINZ data I have is actually via the NZ > Open GPS project Would it make sense to get access to the original dataset from which the NZOGPS dataset is generated, before at

Re: [OSM-talk] Land Information New Zealand (LINZ) -> Openstreetmap import first pass

2009-07-01 Thread Joe Richards
> there are some obvious omissions and variations as you mentioned one that > stands out to me is the omission of the Rakaia River which is more than a > small creek! I'm not entirely sure why these are not showing up. It's not a case of the tags being missing, they are lacking in the origin

[OSM-talk] [Announcement] accessibility mailing list

2009-07-01 Thread Mike Collinson
Following the success of similar German-language mailing lists, there is now an accessibility mailing list for topics on all kinds of disabilities and things like navigation on mobile devices and tactile maps. For details on how to subscribe to this and other country, language, and topic-spe

Re: [OSM-talk] Error in wiki tag {{Language-Mapper}} for Spanish

2009-07-01 Thread Maarten Deen
Ivan Garcia wrote: > Hi, I've just realized that the list of languages displayed in the wiki of > openstreetmap.org shows 'Espanol' instead of 'Español' (correct), can you > guys fix this? Fixed. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreet

[OSM-talk] Error in wiki tag {{Language-Mapper}} for Spanish

2009-07-01 Thread Ivan Garcia
Hi, I've just realized that the list of languages displayed in the wiki of openstreetmap.org shows 'Espanol' instead of 'Español' (correct), can you guys fix this? Thks a lot. Ivan Garcia. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstr