Re: [OSM-talk] tagging Greenways

2009-12-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Greg Troxel wrote: > I don't follow this. I think that in the US a cycleway would be called > either a "bike path" or "rail trail", depending on origin. You'd likely be wrong. Willamette Greenway is a very long, very popular bicycle arterial in Portland. The only thing it implies is non-motori

Re: [OSM-talk] Valuable Tracks found / French + Spanish^W Portuguese translators needed.

2009-12-20 Thread Steven Le Roux
2009/12/20 Iván Sánchez Ortega > El Domingo, 20 de Diciembre de 2009, Nomorebigfoot escribió: > > Hi > > > > I found some very useful sources for tracks here: > > http://www.viagens4x4.com/gps.html and here: http://www.voyages4x4.com/. > > There is no Spanish anywhere. The second one is French, b

Re: [OSM-talk] Valuable Tracks found / French + Spanish^W Portuguese translators needed.

2009-12-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Domingo, 20 de Diciembre de 2009, Nomorebigfoot escribió: > Hi > > I found some very useful sources for tracks here: > http://www.viagens4x4.com/gps.html and here: http://www.voyages4x4.com/. There is no Spanish anywhere. The second one is French, but the first one is *Portuguese*, in fact.

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread Rory McCann
On 19/12/09 21:18, Liz wrote: > On Sat, 19 Dec 2009, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: We'll all be basking in sunshine in southern Spain at the 4th Annual State of the Map on July 9-11, 2010. >>> Would that be the bit of southern Spain that is in the north east corner >>> of the country? ;)

[OSM-talk] Valuable Tracks found / French + Spanish translators needed.

2009-12-20 Thread Nomorebigfoot
Hi I found some very useful sources for tracks here: http://www.viagens4x4.com/gps.html and here: http://www.voyages4x4.com/. Both are not commercially used. I would love to see that each a native french and spanish speaker could gracefully ask the owner that they would contribute this tracks

Re: [OSM-talk] List of changes from API only gives target tile of moved node

2009-12-20 Thread Matt Amos
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Andre Hinrichs wrote: >> Anyway, if not many services use it (except t...@h) it would not create a >> high load on the server, so why drop it? > > I think it is certainly an "odd one out" among the API calls; no other > API call concerns itse

Re: [OSM-talk] List of changes from API only gives target tile of moved node

2009-12-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Andre Hinrichs wrote: > Then why does Mapnik show the same behaviour than t...@h? The osc file doesn't list the old position of the node. You could find out by querying your local database for the old position but this is deemed too much cost for too little gain. > Does creating the chang

Re: [OSM-talk] List of changes from API only gives target tile of moved node

2009-12-20 Thread Andre Hinrichs
Am Sonntag, den 20.12.2009, 19:12 +0100 schrieb Frederik Ramm: > Hi, > > Andre Hinrichs wrote: > > See list of changes for the here: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changes?start=2009-12-18T17:12:00Z&end=2009-12-18T17:13:00&zoom=12 > > > > So currently both mapnik and t...@h have a ghost

Re: [OSM-talk] List of changes from API only gives target tile of moved node

2009-12-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Andre Hinrichs wrote: > See list of changes for the here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/changes?start=2009-12-18T17:12:00Z&end=2009-12-18T17:13:00&zoom=12 > > So currently both mapnik and t...@h have a ghost way: What you describe may be right, but the reasoning is not; the Mapnik m

[OSM-talk] List of changes from API only gives target tile of moved node

2009-12-20 Thread Andre Hinrichs
Hi List! I've fixed a misplaced node in a way and was waiting for the rendered tiles to be updated. I was expecting that both tiles are beeing updated the one where the node was and the one where the node was moved to. But unfortunately, only the tile the node was moved to was updated. Moved node

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
El Domingo, 20 de Diciembre de 2009, Nick Whitelegg escribió: > >OK, so if we tilt Spain enough then Girona is in southern Spain. Cool... > > I don't think anyone will sniff at the 30C average max for Girona in July > though (source: Wikipedia) :-) 30ºC is actually *cold* for a summer, guys. I d

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
Actually it would be more informative to only count new user accounts after they make say 5 or more edits, total number of accounts aren't that useful for anything beyond PR spiels, what is useful is people making edits. ___ talk mailing list talk@openst

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>OK, so if we tilt Spain enough then Girona is in southern Spain. Cool... I don't think anyone will sniff at the 30C average max for Girona in July though (source: Wikipedia) :-) Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openst

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/21 80n <80n...@gmail.com>: > OK, so if we tilt Spain enough then Girona is in southern Spain.  Cool... So where does Nice in france fit in? They've just had snow and ice :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/21 Richard Bullock : > Oh, come on! Minutely rendering of Mapnik is an recent development. The > original contributors to OSM *did* have to wait a while to see any changes. > Sometimes more than a week. And you can't say OSM hasn't come on since then > can you? It can't be that big a block

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread 80n
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > >All of Spain is further north than Tennessee, the US state where I live. > Tennessee is on about the same >latitude as Algeria. > > That's another example of the "anticlockwise axis tilt" of perceptions of > places versus where they actual

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Richard Bullock
> I think it's important here to separate technically rational arguments > like > "one update per week is enough" from emotional/social/visceral factors > like > "omg, I made a change and it's already in the map!" That instant feedback > has been a huge factor in Wikipedia's success. If the origi

Re: [OSM-talk] MobileMapperOffice (For Magellan Triton 200)

2009-12-20 Thread Simone Cortesi
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 20:27, Fabri wrote: > I still have osm shapes from CloudMade. I use MobileMapperOffice to make > vettorial map for a Magellan Triton 200. Any users use MMO and can give > suggestions to make good maps? I probably dont get the point, but why dont you use the instructions gi

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett : > I'm not saying it's easy to get the hardware to make this happen for > multiple renderings, like CloudMade can do. But it's important, if we want > to attract more users. I've been suggesting putting more emphasis on tiles in the past but without much success, I would

Re: [OSM-talk] Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
A couple more updates: - added links to OSMdoc so you can see the currently used values for each tag - I now show certain* OSMdoc tags that aren't supported by any tool - I fixed wiki tags that were effectively "max_speed=*" but are listed in the wiki as "max_speed=Speed". http://wiki.openstreetma

Re: [OSM-talk] Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > this is already tried at the editor level (e.g. JOSM Presets), but also has > some limits: > - there is not an English word for all words in all other languages (an > example we had some time ago on the German

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Nick Whitelegg < nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk> wrote: > > Would most casual users even notice though? I think it's important here to separate technically rational arguments like "one update per week is enough" from emotional/social/visceral factors like "omg, I m

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>All of Spain is further north than Tennessee, the US state where I live. Tennessee is on about the same >latitude as Algeria. That's another example of the "anticlockwise axis tilt" of perceptions of places versus where they actually are. I've noticed that several places in the world are tilte

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>The standards for acceptance by the casual user have grown enourmously. >A year ago, the main maps were re-rendered once a week and that was >cool. Now they are updated daily/minutely and somehow people expect that >from _every_ map. Weekly updates are now considered lame. And less than >full

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread John F. Eldredge
All of Spain is further north than Tennessee, the US state where I live. Tennessee is on about the same latitude as Algeria. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all." -- Hypatia of Alexandria -Or

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>Technical skills and inclination are not enough. You also need >considerable server side muscle to create a dedicated map. You don't *necessarily* need this if you're prepared to only update your map once a week (which, it should be said, is still much, much more frequently than the OS and Goo

Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM 2010 Girona, Spain!!

2009-12-20 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>> Perhaps that's southern Spain in the "Sunny Florida" sense, all of it >> being a tad southern. >Now I'm getting more confused about your abilities in geography >All of those locations are North North compared to where? ;-) Nick ___ talk mailing li

Re: [OSM-talk] Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Martin Koppenhoefer : > this is already tried at the editor level (e.g. JOSM Presets), but also has > some limits: > - there is not an English word for all words in all other languages (an > example we had some time ago on the German ML: "Schloss" and "Burg" which > translate both to "ca

Re: [OSM-talk] Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!

2009-12-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/20 John Smith > You also have to make assumptions here about non-native english > speakers, an extension might be to provide a translated list that can > be imported into editors that automatically translate the key/value > pair back to english when uploading. > this is already tried at

Re: [OSM-talk] Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!

2009-12-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2009/12/20 Steve Bennett > We should be moving to stabilise the tag set and deprecating variations > from it. > > -1 > Once upon a time, when someone tagged an area as "wood=decidious"*, it made > sense that the editor/renderer accepted and ignored it. These days, we have > enough information t

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread John Smith
2009/12/20 Nop : > from _every_ map. Weekly updates are now considered lame. And less than > full world-wide coverage is lame, too. :-[ Dunno about others, but the server I'm running for us to play with for aussie aspects only has south east asia and oceania... Technically speaking I just need mo

Re: [OSM-talk] ClosedCycleMap (was: Re: Cross-renderer tag support, now with OSMdoc!)

2009-12-20 Thread Nop
Hi! Am 20.12.2009 03:58, schrieb John Smith: > Most of them might not have the technical skills or the inclination > since someone else has already made something "good enough" Technical skills and inclination are not enough. You also need considerable server side muscle to create a dedicated m