[OSM-talk] Humanitarian OSM Team: Haiti Strategy and Proposal

2010-02-08 Thread Mikel Maron
Who, what, where, and how are all open questions. Why is simple … OpenStreetMap has demonstrated incredible value in Haiti and we need to make sure we are prepared for the long run there, and for future disasters. A couple weeks ago, Nicolas and I started digesting the Haiti response, and years of

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Liz
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > see the difference is I have done such edits and many others have done it. > We know what we are talking about. do it and you will never write > something ignorant and stupid as this. > flamewar commences and this comment is extremely unhelpful s

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 14:14, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > see the difference is I have done such edits and many others have done it. We > know what we are talking about. Then why didn't you report a bug so less information is attempted to be returned? You still have the problem, breaking it up into

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 14:14, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > see the difference is I have done such edits and many others have done it. We > know what we are talking about. > do it and you will never write something ignorant and stupid as this. As I said, the problem seems to be too many changes, not

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Feb 2010, at 20:03 , John Smith wrote: > On 9 February 2010 14:00, John Smith wrote: >>> Yes, all you are doing is coming up with work arounds to current >>> issues, the issues should be fixed properly. >> >> Apart from the obvious you aren't uploading/download every single >> object refer

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 14:00, John Smith wrote: >> Yes, all you are doing is coming up with work arounds to current >> issues, the issues should be fixed properly. > > Apart from the obvious you aren't uploading/download every single > object referenced by the relation every time you edit it, and the

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
> Yes, all you are doing is coming up with work arounds to current > issues, the issues should be fixed properly. Apart from the obvious you aren't uploading/download every single object referenced by the relation every time you edit it, and the references to objects in the relation should still b

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 13:47, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > 1) theory: tags on the super relation will always supersede tags lower in > hierarchy. conflicting tags don't matter. Actually this is disjointed, ways should override relations and relations should override super relations. > 2) practical

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 8 Feb 2010, at 18:28 , John Smith wrote: > On 9 February 2010 12:20, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: >> what is wrong with 2 relations? >> I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? > > It creates redundant data, and makes it easier to get conflicting data > if both aren't updated c

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 12:20, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > what is wrong with 2 relations? > I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? It creates redundant data, and makes it easier to get conflicting data if both aren't updated consistently. It also gives people the opportunity to me

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
what is wrong with 2 relations? I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:38 PM, John Smith wrote: > On 9 February 2010 11:21, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > > besides editing convenience a relation is directed and sorted since API > 0.6 > > You can see it a

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 11:21, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > besides editing convenience a relation is directed and sorted since API 0.6 > You can see it as a route to follow from start to end. For bus routes this > is a must. 2 relations may use the same road in different directions. on a > highway ref

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 11:14, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > One can always create a super relation to collect both directions into one > relation. Why do you need a super relation just to apply roles? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://list

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Nakor
On 02/08/2010 08:14 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > same for me, Josm has good support for sorting and relations and > checking for gaps. also the relation analyzer will flag them without > errors then. this helped me so much when I tried to fix routing problems > and a road is disconnected becau

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Chris Hunter
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:07 PM, John Smith wrote: > >> >> >> Why does there need to be 2 relations for this? >> >> besides editing convenience a relation is directed and sorted since API > 0.6 You can see it as a route to follow from

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:07 PM, John Smith wrote: > > > Why does there need to be 2 relations for this? > > besides editing convenience a relation is directed and sorted since API 0.6 You can see it as a route to follow from start to end. For bus routes this is a must. 2 relations may use the same

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
> > I'm happy to use either method, but one of the reasons why I prefer the > 1-relation-per-direction method is that it lets me quickly find areas that > need to be split into dual carriageways. > same for me, Josm has good support for sorting and relations and checking for gaps. also the relatio

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 11:01, Chris Hunter wrote: > Moving back to one of my original questions, I think Nakor was the only one > to respond to the 2 relations per state (1 relation each way) vs 1 relation > with rolls per state question. Why does there need to be 2 relations for this? _

[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Chris Hunter
On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > > there is a major disconnect between what people think is "right" and what > the wiki calls for. from > > Agreed. One of the reasons I started this discussion was to make sure that what the wiki calls for is still "right". As far as renderi

[OSM-talk] DIY-streetview.org

2010-02-08 Thread Erik Lundin
Hi, I just found this very interesting site, with guys working on an open source streetview photographing system: http://www.diy-streetview.org/ Yes, I know of Openstreetview etc., but it's hard to find people building the camera rigs. Cheers, Erik ___

[OSM-talk] Nice Israel policy... to cartographers

2010-02-08 Thread Stefan de Konink
JERUSALEM (AFP)--Israel has banned a Palestinian cartographer specialized in Jewish settlement growth from traveling abroad for six months for security reasons, the Shin Bet internal intelligence service said Monday. The ban applies to Khalil al-Tafakgi, a cartographer at the Arab Studies Socie

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-08 Thread Liz
On Mon, 8 Feb 2010, SteveC wrote: > > I realize most people have fallen asleep on this thread, but did anyone > > get a detailed report on why OSM was rejected? > > It's like Encyclopedia Britannica looking to move to Wikipedia in 2004 or > something, printing out a lot of books and getting expe