Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On 8 December 2010 12:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > John Smith wrote: >> >> Frederik seems to consistently misrepresent the license in this sort >> of dishonest fashion, > > Well at least I'm not misrepresenting my identity. I also think that all So in other words it's ok to lie to everyone

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

Hi, John Smith wrote: Frederik seems to consistently misrepresent the license in this sort of dishonest fashion, Well at least I'm not misrepresenting my identity. I also think that all imports should be banned, and that John Smith should circumnavigate Australia in a dinghy in order to map

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

I used to create government procurements, big messy ones where sales guys would hit the prime minister's office to protest and get fired fifteen minutes after a debriefing when they lost. When dealing with potential problems from egos I always found it very helpful to build a list of requirements

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On 8 December 2010 11:08, Grant Slater wrote: > Disappointing as ever... [citation needed] What is disappointing is you can't or won't spend the time to brush up on the history of the license debate, or when you see a false statement being made repeatedly and you don't bother to ask the person to

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On 8 December 2010 00:50, John Smith wrote: > On 8 December 2010 10:37, Simon Ward wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 07:58:26PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: >>> ODbL is not a PD license, so you do not have to be afraid. >> >> The Contributor Terms effectively change the licence. > > Frederik seems

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On 8 December 2010 10:37, Simon Ward wrote: > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 07:58:26PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> ODbL is not a PD license, so you do not have to be afraid. > > The Contributor Terms effectively change the licence. Frederik seems to consistently misrepresent the license in this sort

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 07:58:26PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: > ODbL is not a PD license, so you do not have to be afraid. The Contributor Terms effectively change the licence. Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably found to have evolved from a simple system that works.—John Gall _

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 08:55:26AM -0500, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > Assuming this question was asked in good faith, then I can tell you > for sure that agreement to a license via a click is indeed valid. Firstly, it’s not clear that click through agreements are valid in the UK. They might be in t

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Jo wrote: > Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? Potlatch2 > and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for sure. But how do you know which direction to offset and by how much? Is the Bing imagery really offset so uniformly

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 9:14 AM, David Murn wrote: > Failing that, maybe its time that more people started doing what Im > doing.  Im quite an active mapper, as its something I enjoy doing with > my time.  What Ive been doing for the past couple of months, is only > making minor edits live, but for

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 22:31 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > Failing that, would it be possible for you to create me a new account > (stevage1), and unset the flag on that account? Failing that, maybe its time that more people started doing what

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] New phrase in section 2

Hi Mike, On 7 December 2010 21:44, Mike Collinson wrote: > And to confirm ... the new phrase was introduced by mistake when initially > setting up the 1.1 draft document and carried over into 1.2. I have removed > it and checked all the other wording, though I'd certainly appreciate > another che

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis exception

On 07.12.2010 19:17, Carsten Nielsen wrote: Is it this thread http://www.mail-archive.com/talk...@openstreetmap.org/msg78972.html I have to monitor ? Yes, that's the one. They have the same (or very similar) problem. Extracting from europe.pbf results in missing ways. Stephan _

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On 7 December 2010 15:24, Frederik Ramm wrote: > On 12/07/2010 12:43 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: >> The LWG are the people to talk to about this. > > And if they have any confidence in their own work they will certainly not > create new accounts with the CT flag unset. Provided they have no confidence

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 11:43:12 + Tom Hughes wrote: > I'm in the position where I have the ability to do both those things > certainly but I wouldn't want to do so. > > The LWG are the people to talk to about this. I would not suggest LWG. They are a committee of the Board. Apply to the OSMF B

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis exception

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Carsten Nielsen wrote: > I dont recall where I saw the "--read-bin" option but se it is also > mentioned in the recent geofabrik blogpost http://blog.geofabrik.de/en/?p=75 > and yes I have tried to replace it with the "--read.pbf" and the result is > the same. The

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 18:51:13 +0100 Jo wrote: [..] > Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? > Potlatch2 and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for > sure. Currently Merkaartor does not support this. Regards, Daniel

Re: [OSM-talk] Osmosis exception

Is it this thread http://www.mail-archive.com/talk...@openstreetmap.org/msg78972.html I have to monitor ? Carsten Den 07-12-2010 01:15, Stephan Knauss skrev: Hi, On 06.12.2010 19:58, Carsten Nielsen wrote: Same situation with osmosis 0.38, only node no ways on talk-de had been similar repor

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

Jaak, do you know that you can change the offset in most editors? Potlatch2 and JOSM. I suppose in Merkaartor too, but I don't know for sure. 2010/12/7 Jaak Laineste > 2010/12/7 Jean-Marc Liotier : > > Others have noticed it. Among them : > > > http://blog.samat.org/p/Bing-Imagery-Misaligned-at-

[OSM-talk] Nominatim Special Phrases and improving search

Hi, I'm changing how Nominatim handles the special phrases which are used to search for particular key=value pairs. Up until now these phrases have been imported from the translatewiki but this is now turning out to be to limited - in particular regarding the ability to capture the differences be

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On 7 December 2010 14:49, wrote: > Judging from the examples cited in the thread, such as Scotland being > tagged in both English and French, we aren't limited to just names in the > country's official languages. French is not an official language in > Scotland. > Historically, it should have

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Judging from the examples cited in the thread, such as Scotland being tagged in both English and French, we aren't limited to just names in the country's official languages. French is not an official language in Scotland. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Ed Avis wrote: > Patrick Kilian petschge.de> writes: > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruxelles-Brussel.jpg > > > >See two names on the ground. > > To me that would suggest putting the French name into 'name' I suggest you don't, or you'd end up in an edit war otherwise. Linguistic iss

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010/12/7 Jean-Marc Liotier : > Others have noticed it. Among them : > http://blog.samat.org/p/Bing-Imagery-Misaligned-at-Lower-Zooms#comment-17501 > and http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/halfd/diary/12471 In our case it is not even better in higher zooms. It seems really depend on specific area,

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

Hi, On 12/07/2010 12:43 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: Failing that, would it be possible for you to create me a new account (stevage1), and unset the flag on that account? I'm in the position where I have the ability to do both those things certainly but I wouldn't want to do so. The LWG are the peop

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

Jaak Laineste wrote: It is good news that Bing aerials are available. The bad news is that Bing has made exactly the same mistake as Google, who has managed to misplace aerials in some areas in the beginning of September 2009. They are shifted about 20-25 meters, which makes them quite unusable

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

A compromise would be that if multiple names exist, then the 'name' tag must match one or more of the language-specific names, joined with a - character. In the common case it would be equal to just one of them, but for places like Brussels where neither language is considered primary, it would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Patrick Kilian petschge.de> writes: >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruxelles-Brussel.jpg > >See two names on the ground. To me that would suggest putting the French name into 'name' (since it is on top) and also tagging 'name:fr' and 'name:nl'. However I can see the argument that exac

[OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

It is good news that Bing aerials are available. The bad news is that Bing has made exactly the same mistake as Google, who has managed to misplace aerials in some areas in the beginning of September 2009. They are shifted about 20-25 meters, which makes them quite unusable for tracing.anything mo

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Hi, > Hmm, I didn't realize we did that. I thought that would count as 'tagging > for the renderer' - after all wouldn't Mapnik be capable of finding both names and printing both on the map? Perhaps it could. > Does the 'on the ground rule' not give guidance here? Who says that is doesn't apply?

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Kurt Roeckx roeckx.be> writes: >>Where a choice of languages >>exists for a name, then there should be one that corresponds to the main >>'name' tag. >This will atleast give bogus warnings with places like Brussels that >are bilingual, where name actually contains the name in both languages >(Du

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On 07/12/10 11:31, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: >> This is really a policy issue I think. > > I've replied to everything else on the legal list, but to get back to > the original issue: you seem to be in a position to change the flag on > my account,

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:24 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > This is really a policy issue I think. I've replied to everything else on the legal list, but to get back to the original issue: you seem to be in a position to change the flag on my account, but need authorisation from someone. Who is authoris

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010/12/7 Peter Wendorff > Am 07.12.2010 00:29, schrieb Kurt Roeckx: > > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:00:57AM +, Ed Avis wrote: >> >>> In an attempt to fix this I have asked the maintainer of >>> to add a data check. Where a choice of >>> languages >>> exists for

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Am 07.12.2010 00:29, schrieb Kurt Roeckx: On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:00:57AM +, Ed Avis wrote: In an attempt to fix this I have asked the maintainer of to add a data check. Where a choice of languages exists for a name, then there should be one that corresponds

Re: [OSM-talk] Working for Mapquest as of today

Congratulations, and good luck in your new journey... On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 00:28, Randy Meech wrote: > Welcome! And not a moment too soon! > > -Randy > > On Dec 6, 2010 5:59 PM, "Emilie Laffray" wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am pleased to announce that I started working at MapQuest today. I want >

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:32 PM, wrote: > For example, the official language of France is French, but it has 24 > regional languages in the European region of the country, and 51 additional > regional languages in overseas territories, according to < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Fra

Re: [OSM-talk] Unsetting CT flag

If the OSMF won't uncheck your acceptance of the CT's, then I think they should at least hold of damaging the database by removing your edits until after this proposed change to ODbL. Otherwise if people insist and actually start removing this data, its time for the CC BY-SA forks to kick in. I jus