Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 23:34 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > Excellent. Finally a rational argument against tracing in certain > situations. We could even begin to formulate policy: > > "Tracing imagery in areas where there are active local mappers using > ground survey methods can kill enthusiasm an

Re: [OSM-talk] Microstation import

2010-12-09 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 18:07, Ed Loach wrote: > If ogr2osm doesn't recognise it, perhaps you can use ogr2ogr to convert it > into something that ogr2osm will recognise: > http://www.gdal.org/ogr/ogr_formats.html > > And this is DGN-specific: http://www.gdal.org/ogr/drv_dgn.html So, basically, if

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 09.12.2010 12:42, schrieb Richard Fairhurst: Ulf Lamping wrote: Am 09.12.2010 02:49, schrieb Kenneth Gonsalves: what I object to is mapping a place one has no intention of visiting Fine, seems you don't like the wiki principle ... I think you're getting confused with the Wikipedia Princi

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] CT clarification: third-party sources

2010-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Peter, pec...@gmail.com wrote: 1) I'm not against ODbL. It is nice idea and I wholeheartedly support it; 2) I'm not against general idea of CT, I understand why it is needed; My confusion and problem lies within fact, that while I can accept CT if I add only my own data to OSM, I can't to do th

Re: [OSM-talk] Microstation import

2010-12-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/12/3 Svavar Kjarrval : > Hi. > > I've just got an import file from a town in my area but it's in Microstation > DGN format. Ogr2osm doesn't seem to recognise it. Are there any other free > ways to convert it to a format JOSM can handle? Microstation allows you to save in Autocad (dxf and dwg

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Frederik Ramm
Steve, On 12/09/10 13:34, Steve Bennett wrote: Excellent. Finally a rational argument against tracing in certain situations. We could even begin to formulate policy: You say "policy" which, for me, is acceptable only for very few fields in OSM and certainly not for how and what someone maps;

Re: [OSM-talk] How Can OSMF convince me to accept the New CT and ODBL

2010-12-09 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > Gert wants OSMF to align "open and free" with a formal definition used > by a respected organisation specialising in "open and free" licences / > software / data. Who? If CC does it, they probably aren't going to include ODbL (http://wiki.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread davespod
Joseph Reeves wrote: > Sorry, but I find this to be a really negative attitude; there's loads > of people that want to draw a line on the map for the first time, but > less who want to tidy existing streets, or "just" add POIs. What would > be wrong, for example, with collecting the first GPS tra

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Threatened Species Map

2010-12-09 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Steve Bennett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Mike  Dupont > wrote: >> You can help! >> Maps wanted for Wikipedia, Commons but data available for OSM. >> see : >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:IUCN_red_list > > Very strange. If I understand cor

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
Steve Bennett wrote: > Speaking for myself, I actually really enjoy aerial tracing. Asking me > not to do it would be endangering *my* enthusiasm :) I enjoy going > outside as well, but I tend to find going out of my way to collect GPS > traces gets inconvenient, quickly. And I have issues with dri

Re: [OSM-talk] Open Threatened Species Map

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Mike Dupont wrote: > You can help! > Maps wanted for Wikipedia, Commons but data available for OSM. > see : > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:IUCN_red_list Very strange. If I understand correctly, they want individuals to download a dataset, combine it w

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > But _intensive_ tracing can and does kill people's motivation. Doesn't > matter whether you think the people are misguided or pompous, it happens. > I've seen it in Worcester, in the East Midlands, in Northern Ireland. > > The result is t

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Culture (was: Bing maps is misplaced)

2010-12-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Jonathan Bennett wrote: > On this particular point, I think some of the resistance to having > "Policies" of this nature is that where you have Laws, you get Lawyers whose > job it is to find ways of breaking the spirit of those policies without > breaking the lett

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Culture (was: Bing maps is misplaced)

2010-12-09 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 08/12/2010 12:50, Steve Bennett wrote: I should apologise here for picking on two innocent individuals. I was trying to offer a criticism of the culture of the mailing lists and the project as a whole, and a suggestion to look at moving to a more scalable model, where policies get agreed, then

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Ulf Lamping wrote: > Am 09.12.2010 02:49, schrieb Kenneth Gonsalves: > > what I object to is mapping a place one has no intention of visiting > Fine, seems you don't like the wiki principle ... I think you're getting confused with the Wikipedia Principle: "you have a right to contribute and edit,

Re: [OSM-talk] Bing maps is misplaced

2010-12-09 Thread Jonathan Bennett
On 08/12/2010 14:35, Maarten Deen wrote: I have never heard of this before and have never seen it documented anywhere or seen discussed before. The only mention of "do not trace from aerial maps" is when it is off Google's maps because we cannot legaly use them. Never before have I seen a menti

Re: [OSM-talk] How Can OSMF convince me to accept the New CT and ODBL

2010-12-09 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:34:27 +0100 Frederik Ramm wrote: > Gert, > > > Article 3 is to me the problem: > > The legal-talk list would be a good place to discuss the wording of > the Contributor Terms. > > Bye > Frederik > Perhaps more than a quick read would be more beneficial. Gert wants OSM