mick wrote
>On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:49:43 +1100
>Nick Hocking wrote:
>> (1) I always exaggerate
>is that an exaggeration too?
>mick
Absolutely :-)
My favourite is the Errata section of a book on page 347
"Page 347: For *ERRATA* read ERRATUM"
Cheers
Nick
Michael Collinson writes:
> The question I ask you is, do you agree that we have reached critical mass?
As others have pointed out, we don't know if we've reached critical
mass until the units of the mass have been settled upon. Pounds?
Stone? Kilograms?
> Here is our report.
I don't see any i
On Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:49:43 +1100
Nick Hocking wrote:
> (1) I always exaggerate
is that an exaggeration too?
mick
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andrzej wrote
>Nick,
>On 28 January 2012 05:43, Nick Hocking wrote:
> NE2/NE3 (Nathan) wrote
>>
>> "This condescending tone isn't useful. We should all care about the
>> entire map, not just our little area."
>So which part of this quote do you not agree with?
It's the hypocrisy of one of th
Hi,
On 27 January 2012 21:52, Toby Murray wrote:
> Specific questions that need an answer:
> 1) As Nathan pointed out, nothing currently looks at way
> splitting/combining.
While I think it is important to implement the detection of
split/combined ways in the final algorithm, I don't think it ch
Nick,
On 28 January 2012 05:43, Nick Hocking wrote:
> NE2/NE3 (Nathan) wrote
>
> "This condescending tone isn't useful. We should all care about the
> entire map, not just our little area."
So which part of this quote do you not agree with?
>
>
> Nathan,
>
> someone who sprouts thing such as (
Nathan Edgars II wrote
>
> On 1/27/2012 12:44 PM, Michael Collinson wrote:
>>
>> As the license change process evolved, concern was expressed that an
>> unacceptable amount of data might be lost from the current version of
>> the OSM database and consensus was reached that phase 5 [1] - the actua
On Jan 27, 2012, at 4:48 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> On 01/28/2012 01:05 AM, Michal Migurski wrote:
>
>> OSMF should adopt Clean Map and publish a version which reflects the
>> actual future, with the same performance as the current Mapnik layer.
>> I'd also like to see a "parallel planet" dump, w
NE2/NE3 (Nathan) wrote
"This condescending tone isn't useful. We should all care about the
entire map, not just our little area."
Nathan,
someone who sprouts thing such as (quote)
Now you can see how much vandalism the OSMF will carry out on April Fools
(end quote)
can not really expect to
If the LWG had done their job, they would have presented their algorithm for
stripping the map at the time they made their decision instead of letting
things drag on for months as they have done.
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Are there any plans to publish the code that will be used in the final
transition? I would hope so, with ample time for the community to
review it (without having to take 2 weeks off of work) before it is
executed on the live database. I see this as more important than
hitting April 1.
Toby
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Hi,
understanding that some are tired by the discussions that certainly
preceded this licence changing endeavour and would like to have the
actual switch done asap and others have their own reasons the licence
change should not and cannot be rushed.
After of changing an agreement with several hundr
Frederik Ramm writes:
> Anyone who says "I can't really do anything before I know the exact
> algorithm" should perhaps take the second half of March off work.
This is unreasonable. It's ridiculous to expect people to operate under
uncertainty and a sense of time pressure when both the the for
On 1/27/2012 7:48 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Anyone who says "I can't really do anything before I know the exact
algorithm" should perhaps take the second half of March off work.
This condescending tone isn't useful. We should all care about the
entire map, not just our little area.
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Hi,
On 01/28/2012 01:05 AM, Michal Migurski wrote:
I strongly agree with Nathan and others in this thread who point out
that "critical mass" is impossible to judge without an unambiguous
plan for data deletion from the Foundation.
...
OSMF should adopt Clean Map and publish a version which r
Hi,
as others have pointed out - how can we decide if we're at critical
mass, if we don't know the actual "mass". There is absolutely no point
in asking this question, until the precise algorithm of changeover is
presented.
By the way, in the latest license related discussion in talk-cz, Lukáš
Ma
On Jan 27, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
> I really don't mind one way or the other about the licence, and have kept out
> of it until now mostly because I have no wish to get into arguments... but
> what I definitely don't want to see are large holes appearing on the map come
> April
On 1/27/2012 6:48 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
Hi Mike and Graham,
>We should not assume that contributors' acceptance of the new licence
means that they are particularly in favour of it - they may have just
accepted because it was easier than getting involved in the >argument,
and did not see it
Hi Mike and Graham,
>We should not assume that contributors' acceptance of the new licence means
>that they are particularly in favour of it - they may have just accepted
>because it was easier than getting involved in the >argument, and did not see
>it as doing any harm. From a personal
Matthias Meißer wrote:
Of course we know, that using just Bing, is just the #2 choice for
adding details to our database and that survey is what we all really
like. But in this case, we believe, that it is a good compromise (see
hints in Wiki). Currently there seem to be no definitive answer if
Mike,
> - There are subjective criteria. The removal of 100 hospital nodes
> may be far worse than than the removal of several million import
> points. ... Or the loss of a repeatable import may be bad because
> folks have editted over the top. It is difficult to judge whether this
> has a positi
> "mc" == Michael Collinson writes:
mc> As the license change process evolved, concern was expressed that
mc> an unacceptable amount of data might be lost from the current
mc> version of the OSM database and consensus was reached that phase 5
mc> [1] - the actual license cut-over - sh
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM, john whelan wrote:
> My suggestion would be to tag the data that maybe deleted. That way
> individuals can see what needs to be repaired and the tags can be chosen so
> that the data doesn't render on a normal web render, is that Mapnik rules?
> It would also allo
I would definitely echo the concerns of uncertainty put forward by
others. Right now all the existing tools have disclaimers that "this
is MY interpretation of what will be deleted." We need something
without that disclaimer before we can really say what will be lost.
Specific questions that need
My suggestion would be to tag the data that maybe deleted. That way
individuals can see what needs to be repaired and the tags can be chosen so
that the data doesn't render on a normal web render, is that Mapnik rules?
It would also allow someone to build a set of rules that would display the
area
On 01/27/2012 02:19 PM, LM_1 wrote:
I would have higher standard for critical mass, definitely over 99 %.
There should be a prolonged (at least one year) period where it is
known what data can remain and what cannot to allow seamless switch.
Having two months to the planned switch and still not k
I would have higher standard for critical mass, definitely over 99 %.
There should be a prolonged (at least one year) period where it is
known what data can remain and what cannot to allow seamless switch.
Having two months to the planned switch and still not knowing the
exact algorithm to determin
Mike,
Thank you for the detailed report and request for comments. This is my
view on where we are.
I think clarity on what will be deleted is very important, because without
that it is hard to make a judgement on the cost-benefit of going ahead with
the licence change. I will probably need a r
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Op 27-01-12 18:44, Michael Collinson schreef:
> But what about negative factors?
As my unanswered questions to the OSMF-Board remain, what is the
situation with Wikipedia data in OSM?
Stefan
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On 1/27/2012 12:44 PM, Michael Collinson wrote:
Our moderators have agreed that this is a general topic of concern to
the whole OSM community. If you are a continuing mapper, please feel
free to respond and give your opinion. Only strictly "legal" questions
will be pointed at legal-talk list.
T
This is a report from the License Working Group and a request for
feedback. If anyone can do translations or summaries for other language
mailing lists, I would be very grateful.
Our moderators have agreed that this is a general topic of concern to
the whole OSM community. If you are a continu
Hi,
I hope it's ok to move the discussion on a more general topic, so
hopefully we can get the original thread for organisazion stuff.
Am 27.01.2012 11:54, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer:
2012/1/27 Nick Whitelegg:
Good idea but - I would like to urge some degree of caution on this in the
UK.
Michael and others,
We will have Open Knowledge Festival in Finland on 17.-22.9.2012. I presume
it will be in Helsinki. At this moment, I know that there will be at least
to Open meetings:
- Open Knowledge Conference (last year in Berlin) http://okcon.org/
- Open Government Data Camp (Last year i
2012/1/27 Nick Whitelegg :
> Good idea but - I would like to urge some degree of caution on this in the
> UK.
+1, actually not only there.
> So if you're deriving footpaths or tracks from aerial imagery, please only
> add them if it is *absolutely obvious* that they are paths or tracks.
addin
Hello,
I would like to announce that I finally released v1.4.2 of my new, freely
available plugin "Leaflet Maps Marker" - Pin, organize & show your favorite
places through OpenStreetMap/WMTS, Google/KML, GeoJSON or Augmented-Reality
browsers which should finally solve all common install problem
(my e-mail provider does not support threading)
I've had both positive and negative reactions to the examples I've put up. The
reason it appears that I've used turn restrictions to indicate lane
direction-of-travel is that .. as far as I have determined .. painted turn
indications on roadways
>since a few weeks, we had the idea for a global action, that we'd like
>to announce today: www.nightofthelivingmaps.org
>At Thursday, the 07.02.2012 we stay awake a whole night long, to trace
>aerial imagery for the areas, that where we currently lack a lot of
>informations: the countryside. Ou
Hello community,
since a few weeks, we had the idea for a global action, that we'd like
to announce today: www.nightofthelivingmaps.org
At Thursday, the 07.02.2012 we stay awake a whole night long, to trace
aerial imagery for the areas, that where we currently lack a lot of
informations: the c
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