Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

I also read this article and I found it identifies some areas in which (the central infrastructure of) OpenStreetMap could improve. What I do not like about this article is the deeply pessimistic and resigned tone of it, like clickbait. It reads like "OSM needs to change from the core up or else i

Re: [OSM-talk] "The Future of Free and Open-Source Maps" Slashdot.org , Saturday February 17, 2018

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 4:29 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2018-02-17 10:56, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > >> This article is on the front page of the Slashdot today: >> >> Fri 16 February 2018 "Why OpenStreetMap is in Serious Trouble" >> >> https://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2018/02/16/osm-is-in-trouble/

[OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

In the diatribe (no disrespect meant, since it did bring up some relevant points that we can use constructively, simply a description of the tone) that emacsen posted last week that we've surely all read by now, he does bring up one point that I think we can work on for fairly immediate improvement

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18/02/18 17:34, Paul Johnson wrote: On the OSM homepage, can we use the visible area (or maybe that plus an exploded offset to a larger surrounding bounds) as a bonding box to be passed to Nominatim for some context when searching?  This animation really drives the problem home. We alread

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18/02/18 17:45, Tom Hughes wrote: On 18/02/18 17:34, Paul Johnson wrote: On the OSM homepage, can we use the visible area (or maybe that plus an exploded offset to a larger surrounding bounds) as a bonding box to be passed to Nominatim for some context when searching?  This animation reall

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18 February 2018 at 17:34, Paul Johnson wrote: > In the diatribe (no disrespect meant, since it did bring up some relevant > points that we can use constructively, simply a description of the tone) > that emacsen posted last week that we've surely all read by now, he does > bring up one point t

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 18/02/18 17:34, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On the OSM homepage, can we use the visible area (or maybe that plus an >> exploded offset to a larger surrounding bounds) as a bonding box to be >> passed to Nominatim for some context when searching

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Grant Slater wrote: > > How about someone in the community organises a Beauty Parade / Cross > Comparison of different open OpenStreetMap GeoCoders? > How about search against multiple geocoders instead of just Nominatim and GeoNames?

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18 February 2018 at 18:05, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Grant Slater > wrote: >> >> How about someone in the community organises a Beauty Parade / Cross >> Comparison of different open OpenStreetMap GeoCoders? > > > How about search against multiple geocoders instead

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18/02/18 18:04, Paul Johnson wrote:  OK, so what can we do about this problem?  For example, go to Jenks, Oklahoma.  Search for Walmart.  First result isn't the Walmart Neighborhood Market across the street from the Riverside Market shopping center.  It's not even the Walmart Supercenter a

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18/02/18 18:05, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Grant Slater mailto:openstreet...@firefishy.com>> wrote: How about someone in the community organises a Beauty Parade / Cross Comparison of different open OpenStreetMap GeoCoders? How about search against multipl

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > On 18/02/18 18:05, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Grant Slater < >> openstreet...@firefishy.com > wrote: >> >> How about someone in the community organises a Beauty Parade / C

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18/02/18 18:40, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Tom Hughes > wrote: On 18/02/18 18:05, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 11:58 AM, Grant Slater mailto:openstreet...@firefishy.com>

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 2018-02-18 19:28, Tom Hughes wrote: On 18/02/18 18:04, Paul Johnson wrote:  OK, so what can we do about this problem?  For example, go to Jenks, Oklahoma.  Search for Walmart.  First result isn't the Walmart Neighborhood Market across the street from the Riverside Market shopping center. 

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: > On 2018-02-18 19:28, Tom Hughes wrote: > >> On 18/02/18 18:04, Paul Johnson wrote: >> >> OK, so what can we do about this problem? For example, go to Jenks, >>> Oklahoma. Search for Walmart. First result isn't the Walmart Neighborhood >

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

Hi Grant, If you read Serge's post, he is quite clear on what his preferred solution to this resourcing problem. Our tiles and Nominatim services should have terms of services that include paid higher levels that support the foundation, which in turn pays for the infrastructure. When somebody is u

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 2018-02-18 20:07, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Maarten Deen wrote: On 2018-02-18 19:28, Tom Hughes wrote: I can't comment about how the algorithm works because I don't know anything about it. I'm just saying that we do tell it the viewbox It appears to me that

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

With 103 open issues and 12 open pull requests, I would love to volunteer to at least help get those cleared first. Given the (very positive, I am glad so many people are acting on this thread) activity, I think if everybody lends a couple of hours of code this week we can get nominatim ready to ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18 February 2018 at 19:07, Jason Remillard wrote: > Hi Grant, > > If you read Serge's post, he is quite clear on what his preferred > solution to this resourcing problem. Our tiles and Nominatim services > should have terms of services that include paid higher levels that > support the foundati

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

On 18-02-2018 19:21, Milo van der Linden wrote: > With 103 open issues and 12 open pull requests, I would love to > volunteer to at least help get those cleared first. Given the (very > positive, I am glad so many people are acting on this thread) > activity, I think if everybody lends a couple o

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page

Jason, On 02/18/2018 08:07 PM, Jason Remillard wrote: > There is plenty of money around this space to pay for a full time > system administrator staff and some developers. Pokémon Go netted 600 > million dollars in the first three months. Mapbox just go $164 million > dollar investment. I don't un

Re: [OSM-talk] Nominatim on the main page / Serges blog post

Maybe it would be a good idea for everybody to take a deep breath and count to 10? For those relatively new to the project you should know that Serge has been going on about these "issues" for years, some since I first had the pleasure of  meeting him. That doesn't  mean that his points are more

[OSM-talk] Migrating help.openstreetmap.org

While we have everybody burning to help with technical issues... We have the rather mundane problem that the underlying software for help.openstreetmap.org has not only been unmaintained for many years, it has a number of defects that range from just annoying (edited comments can't be moved/change