Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Yves
I second Tom and Mikael, maybe a kind of rédaction to keep the date could be done? Not sure it's worth the effort though. Yves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi, I support this edit. This spring, I was working on changeset validation code and I was quite surprised to find that FIXME (an invalid key) was so prevalent in the database. I had to collect a bunch of extra validation changesets with the FIXME tag present to train the neural network that an a

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 03.07.2018 01:23, Michael Reichert wrote: There are 177,152 FIXME and 1,216,043 fixme according to Taginfo. I did not have a closer look on the average age of FIXMEs and fixmes. What's the benefit in this mechanical edit? It just sets the last_modified attribute to a recent date and data cons

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Michael Reichert
Hi Mateusz, Am 02.07.2018 um 19:42 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny: > Please comment - especially if there are any problems with this idea. > Please also comment if you support this edit, in case of no response > at all edit will not be made as there would be no evidence that > this idea is supported.

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 2 July 2018 at 18:42, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > FIXME tag is an unexpected way to mark fixmes, retagging this duplicate to > fixme key would improve tagging without any information loss. Support. Very sensible move. I may in the past have used the later version; I'd be grateful if such tags

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2. Lipiec 2018 19:49 od james2...@gmail.com : > are there any overlap with FIXME and fixme as in an object tagged with both? Yes. http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/A0y As described in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mechanical_E

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Andrew Hain
Should we ask for validation steps in editors to flag FIXME as a likely tagging mistake going forwards? -- Andrew From: Mateusz Konieczny Sent: 02 July 2018 18:42 To: Talk Subject: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=* fixme tag is a st

Re: [OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread James
are there any overlap with FIXME and fixme as in an object tagged with both? Is it possible or the osm API considers them the same(case insensitive)? If there are no overlaps I dont see an issue tagging this the proper way On Mon, Jul 2, 2018, 1:44 PM Mateusz Konieczny, wrote: > fixme tag is a

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Andrew Hain
Generally, of course, yes, but there was a talk by someone who had estimated the population of a seasonally inhabited village by mapping buildings that are demolished each year. -- Andrew From: Jean-Marc Liotier Sent: 02 July 2018 15:25:38 To: Vao Matua Cc: talk

[OSM-talk] proposed mechanical edit - moving FIXME=* to fixme=*

2018-07-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
fixme tag is a standard way to mark fixmes. Editors wishing to finish mapping in their area would (directly or indirectly, for example using JOSM) look through objects tagged with fixme tags. FIXME tag is an unexpected way to mark fixmes, retagging this duplicate to fixme key would improve tagging

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On Mon, July 2, 2018 1:26 pm, Robert Banick wrote: > Many humanitarian groups use buildings as a rough proxy for population Yes, I have had that explanation from multiple sources involved in humanitarian uses of Openstreetmap: from that they can calculate, for example, the impact a a flood. I bel

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On Mon, July 2, 2018 11:55 am, AMEGAYIBO Kokou ELolo wrote: > > The majority of these tasks were created in training workshops on > OpenStreetMap in Bamako, quality control work is done afterwards by the > local community normally. I share your points of view, but for training > workshops it is our

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On Mon, July 2, 2018 2:59 pm, Vao Matua wrote: > When you say "low quality" buildings, do you mean the quality of the > polygon data or are you judging someone's home to be of low value? The tracing of course - mud shacks and posh villas are all equal before Openstreetmap contributors !

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Vao Matua
When you say "low quality" buildings, do you mean the quality of the polygon data or are you judging someone's home to be of low value? On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 1:24 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > Active in Senegal and Mali, I have noticed that changesets tagged with > tasking-manager HOT projects

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread john whelan
Low quality building mapping is pretty general in Africa, I mentioned Malawi still has some 4,805 duplicate buildings in the HOT mailing list very recently which as a percentage of the buildings mapped is probably fairly low but is still a concern. The problem is one of data quality, is OSM reliab

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Robert Banick
Many humanitarian groups use buildings as a rough proxy for population (density), or to ensure every household is covered during a vaccination campaign, or simply to navigate. Likely they use them for a combination of the three. As Phil says, it’s best to read the specific task. As a side note, it

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Warin
On 02/07/18 18:52, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 02.07.2018 10:24, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: churning out buildings like demented stonemasons trying to reach their weekly quota of gamified task-managing ! I recently stumbled upon https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-6.8958/39.1623 (Tanzania

Re: [OSM-talk] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 02.07.2018 10:24, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > churning out buildings like demented stonemasons trying to reach their weekly > quota > of gamified task-managing ! I recently stumbled upon https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-6.8958/39.1623 (Tanzania) and had a similar thought. The build

[OSM-talk] Why the HOT obsession with low quality buildings in Africa ?

2018-07-02 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Active in Senegal and Mali, I have noticed that changesets tagged with tasking-manager HOT projects produce very large numbers of buildings. Those buildings appear to be of very low quality. I wonder: who uses this data ? If it is only necessary to assess that people live there, then a landuse=res