Re: [OSM-talk] LinuxFoundation Energy Summit 2018 in Edinburgh (too few OSM inside)

2018-10-07 Thread François Lacombe
Le dim. 7 oct. 2018 à 08:27, Mateusz Konieczny a écrit : > I wonder whatever they know that this way their datasets become ODBL (or > copyright violations). > Good point but not so simple OSM data isn't pushed in legacy and main datasets yet. It's only ponctual cleanups on temporary chunks. Curr

[OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread john whelan
JAVA has a number of problems. Many corporations ban its installation citing security issues which restricts the machines that can use JOSM with all its nice tools. Oracle never was enamoured of open software and since it has taken over JAVA the licensing has changed amongst other things. I note

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread James
people will switch to openjdk. problem solved. On Sun., Oct. 7, 2018, 5:09 p.m. john whelan, wrote: > JAVA has a number of problems. Many corporations ban its installation > citing security issues which restricts the machines that can use JOSM with > all its nice tools. > > Oracle never was ena

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread john whelan
But will it run JOSM today or would some changes be required to JOSM? Thanks John On Sun, 7 Oct 2018, 5:11 pm James, wrote: > people will switch to openjdk. problem solved. > > On Sun., Oct. 7, 2018, 5:09 p.m. john whelan, > wrote: > >> JAVA has a number of problems. Many corporations ban its

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/07/2018 11:07 PM, john whelan wrote: > So thoughts ladies and gentlemen? Someone attempted to re-develop JOSM (as "JOSM-ng") in 2008 and even then (with JOSM having a fraction of the features it has today) it didn't get anywhere ;) I recently (on josm-dev) said that the actual code is

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread Mike N
On 10/7/2018 5:07 PM, john whelan wrote: C# apparently is open source.  Visual Studio 2017 is a professional development environment.  Yes it is Windows and I recognise that many prefer one flavour of UNIX or another but I think it is time to think strategically and start work on a replacement

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread James
yes. I've been running openjdk since before the oracle debacle. Openjdk is the bleeding edge version of java. All new features are now developed on the openjdk side by oracle and other open source developers. When a release is issued, oracle adds performance secret sauce to their proprietary bina

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread Richard
On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 05:11:20PM -0400, James wrote: > people will switch to openjdk. problem solved. my hope too. Although Oracle's touch of death has left an impressive trace in the IT departments Java is much more than that single implementation by Sun/Oracle. Think Android, gcj, c-lang and

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread James
Android(google) has been sued over implementing their own JVM, so they do not depend on Oracle(oracle lost that fight too) On Sun., Oct. 7, 2018, 5:38 p.m. Richard, wrote: > On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 05:11:20PM -0400, James wrote: > > people will switch to openjdk. problem solved. > > my hope too.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread Jem
Putting aside the string of 0-day exploits on applet plugins (which absolutely nobody uses) that we saw a few years ago, I'm finding it difficult to get info that backs up the claim that Java is much less secure than .NET. What I have found indicates they are on par. e.g. https://www.veracode.com/

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 23:11, john whelan wrote: > JAVA has a number of problems. Many corporations ban its installation > citing security issues which restricts the machines that can use JOSM with > all its nice tools. > Is this an actual problem you, or people you know, encounter? If so, is th

Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] [OSM-dev] Tool update from HOT: MapCampaigner

2018-10-07 Thread Harry Wood
Well this is drifting off the original topic but... Greg Morgan wrote: > This is nothing more than an uneducated attack on my favorite part of the > US tax code, 501.c3. This is also nothing more than an attack on a group > trying to build the OSM community. Seems a bit strong. Some folks need t

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it time to redevelop JOSM?

2018-10-07 Thread John Whelan
It's not a major problem but it does come up from time to time.  Usually iD is acceptable and if they are a heavy mapper then they'll find a suitable machine. A version of JOSM wrapped in an .exe than ran under windows would be useful as long as JAVA did not have to be installed. My feeling