[OSM-talk] We got permission to continue tracing from Strava

2019-11-15 Thread pangose
Good news for OSM! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Permissions/Strava Also the Strava fork of iD might still be working. See http://strava.github.io/iD/#background=Bing&map=17.00/-110.02947/53.27094 Hooray 😃 Cheers pangoSE -- Sent from: http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/General-Discussion-f5

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 15 November 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > there isn't OSM data in their dataset. > > > > And neither is there is my ocean data set - the OSM data set used > > only contains land masses, my resulting data set (D2 in Rory's > > terms) only contains oceans. So no OSM data in it. >

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 15. Nov. 2019 um 14:21 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann : > On Friday 15 November 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > there isn't OSM data in their dataset. > > And neither is there is my ocean data set - the OSM data set used only > contains land masses, my resulting data set (D2 in Rory's

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 15. Nov. 2019 um 13:44 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > I understand that training their algorithim ("AI") on Openstreetmap > data is fine. > > actually this is something I do not understand. What is called "artificial intelligence" in this context is actually

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 15 November 2019, Martin Trautmann wrote: > > No. Elementary logic does not apply for legal advice. Thanks for putting it so bluntly - that is indeed an impression i often get from discussions on legal matters in the OSM community. But as said that makes this kind of discussion uninte

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Wayne Emerson, Jr. via talk
/>"I don't understand why it is being claimed that facebook ... is not using Openstreetmap data."/  The original claim was not about facebook "using" OSM data, it was that a specific dataset was "derived" from OSM data. To use the cooking analogy, a cake is derived from flour, oil, sugar, etc. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Mikel Maron
I suggest that those that want to continue this discussion do so on the legal-talk mailing list. It’s especially for discussing this level of detail of license questions.https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/  You all are free to ignore my suggestion, it’s not made with any modera

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Martin Trautmann
On 19-11-15 12:38, Christoph Hormann wrote: > Because the basis of most comments made does not seem to be the desire > to neutrally assess the situation Rory presents here and its > implications. This would usually go by considering what if Rory is > right and data productions like this would

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Friday 15 November 2019, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > From an engineering perspective the idea that adding OSM data can > > create a derivative database but subtracting OSM data cannot does > > not hold up of course. I can create a polygon data set of the > > Earth surface (a simple rectang

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Nuno Caldeira
Well it's quite obvious to me that for adding or subtracting you need OSM data, so I have no doubts. it's like a cook recipe, if you don't have use it, you won't get the end result without it, adding or subtracting. On Fri, 15 Nov 2019, 11:41 Christoph Hormann, wrote: > > This realization (of th

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I don't know anything about the legal aspects, but logically I don't understand why it is being claimed that facebook releasing a list of possible roads, which specifically excludes all roads in Openstreetmap, is not using Openstreetmap data. I understand that training their algorithim ("AI") on O

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 15. Nov. 2019 um 12:41 Uhr schrieb Christoph Hormann : > Because the basis of most comments made does not seem to be the desire > to neutrally assess the situation Rory presents here and its > implications. > What it seems instead happens here is that people look at the situation > and dev

Re: [OSM-talk] Licence of Facebook's derived road datasets? ODbL?

2019-11-15 Thread Christoph Hormann
(Deliberately replying to myself since this is not meant as a reply to anyone specifically) If i try for a moment to ignore the fact that this matter has significant meaning for the OSM community and its social cohesion (the social contract between mappers and data users etc.) this is actually