Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

how do i fix a local mistake, as a local, that goes on for miles.   >Tuesday, March 10, 2020 5:13 AM -05:00 from Volker Schmidt : >  >  >  Fixing stuff in OSM purely from imagery may not be good. > >A local mapper who sees something may add it before any satellite imagery has >it. > >If you the

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

I heard Mapbox is working on this and divide data spatially not as a sequence of changeset. My impression would be that this way you could produce a "nice looking map" but most likely it will break for routing purposes in most horrible ways where ways suddenly are not connected anymore as some ch

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

On Mar 10, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Michal Migurski wrote: > Thanks Mikel for your followup! > > In response to your recommendation that we publish what *didn't* make it > through the filter process, we released an OSC diff file: > > > https://daylight-map-distribution.s3.amazonaws.com/pbf/plan

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Thanks Mikel for your followup! In response to your recommendation that we publish what *didn't* make it through the filter process, we released an OSC diff file: https://daylight-map-distribution.s3.amazonaws.com/pbf/planet-2020-03-06_v0.1.osc.bz2

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 05:08:10PM -0700, Michal Migurski wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I’m writing to let you know about a new OpenStreetMap project Facebook > just released. It’s called Daylight Map Distribution. Daylight is a > complete, downloadable preview of OpenStreetMap data we plan to start >

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Similar to what Mikel described as "what Mapbox has set up," I humbly suggest that Facebook offer the wider OSM community (here on OSM-talk is a good place to do so) something similar. As we (here) better understand what, exactly, Facebook's QA processes are as they use (and improve) OSM data,

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

> But "you don't really know what you're talking about" is a rude thing to say. And expressing a belief that FB is not capable of doing this to a small, or even large degree, is not based on any factual inquiry of what they've done.Thank you. We cannot really know how Facebook is working on Quality

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Thanks Mike and Facebook for doing this. I commented on your diary post, but also adding to the coversation here. It's great to have this insight out and available. There's a good tradition of downstream data processing and redistribution in the community (you could call them packages I supposed

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

It's fair to point out that "no malicious vandalism or unintentional errors" is overdoing it, no one can claim 100% on this.  But "you don't really know what you're talking about" is a rude thing to say. And expressing a belief that FB is not capable of doing this to a small, or even large degr

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map Distribution]

> aerial imagery would point to armchairing?no. Changesets made during armchair mapping need to include the hashtag "#armchair" and the source the mapper used in the `source` changeset tag.> happened to the good old source tagwhere source=survey would point to mappers on the groundin my recent comm

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Michal Migurski wrote > Only those edits which have been validated to contain no malicious vandalism > or unintentional errors so we can show them in our display maps I get the impression that you don't really know what you're talking about. There are many "complaints" that FB does not respond en

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map Distribution]

Hi, On 3/10/20 18:48, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: > *Spirit of Changeset Governance:* Basically it introduces a way to > distinguish a changeset made during a survey from a changeset made > during armchair mapping using information received from imagery or > external data. In the spirit of more

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map Distribution]

> a changeset with survey info is source=survey, not source=local knowleadgePerdon. It is a mistake> Apart from that, are you suggesting that the main tag become a hashtagor is there a more fundamental idea in the page?Sry, I work with hashtags mostly. Didn't realize the tags for changesets. We cou

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map Distribution]

Hello, Sören Reinecke wrote : > created a wikipage for it. See > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Changeset/Governance . a changeset with survey info is source=survey, not source=local knowleadge and putting a source on the changeset is not mandatory but a very good pratice Apart from that, a

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

I would personally prefer it if a certain bit of software said "GPX traces" or similar for the public traces rather than "survey" when autofilling sources, but I never remember to raise it in the bug tracker. On Tue, 10 Mar 2020, 18:09 Volker Schmidt, wrote: > My personal approach: when I map I

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

My personal approach: when I map I routinely use three sources in parallel: survey, GPX track, Mapillary images, satellite photos (picking the one with the most up-to -date pictures in the area, and aligning them to the Italian PCN2006 pictures, which are by our experience the best-aligned picture

Re: [OSM-talk] Changeset Governance [was: Announcing Daylight Map Distribution]

Hey, created a wikipage for it. See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Changeset/Governance . Spirit of Changeset Governance: Basically it introduces a way to distinguish a changeset made during a survey from a changeset made during armchair mapping using information received from imagery or ex

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Thanks for your feedback, Christoph. The “100%” is accurate because there’s no data released in Daylight that hasn't previously passed through the OSM.org database. When we observe errors and fix them manually, we make our edits to OpenStreetMap like any other editor. I’m not

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Yes, I thought also about this and planned it to integrate in my concept. Original Message Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map DistributionFrom: Joseph Eisenberg To: Sören Reinecke CC: Volker Schmidt ,talk@openstreetmap.orgMy understanding is that the common way to descr

Re: [OSM-talk] 3D OSM with terrain

Hi Nick, On 06.03.20 18:13, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Anyway, I was wondering if there was any active development on > open-source 3D OSM renderers with terrain? among the open source options, at least the Blender plugin blender-osm² and the OSM2World renderer have terrain support. As maintainer o

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

that would be VERY nice, if you managed to achieve this. On 10/03/2020 06:46, Sören Reinecke via talk wrote: In addition if the mapper works for a company: # e.g. #facebook #amazon #microsoft #apple I've been asking about the '#apple' hashtag, for quite a while, straight from Andrew Wiseman,

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

My understanding is that the common way to describe armchair mapping, based on aerial imagery, is to identify the imagery source. So I often write: Changeset Comment: "Added and adjusted streams and rivers near Oksibil with ESRI" Changeset Source: "Esri world imagery" This makes it clear that I u

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 21:14, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I expect this Facebook operation to produce much more changes or potential > changes (=suspected errors). > What we need for both cases and similar ones in the future is a way of > being able to identify such changes, which by their nature wil

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Heysome ideas about identifying such changes:Example changeset comment where a mapper did armchair mapping:Data updated, added amenity=restaurant#armchairIn addition if the mapper works for a company:#e.g. #facebook#amazon#microsoft#appleExample changeset comment where a mapper did a survey and add

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

My proposal : survey > aerial imagery. So its the aerial imagery mapper who has to check that its aerial imageries are more recent than the last changes made with survey sources. That’s something I do often when I see weird differences. (So we put the load on the big companies instead of the free

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

On Tuesday 10 March 2020, Michal Migurski wrote: > > • A PBF planet file composed of 100% OSM data, released under the > terms of the Open Database License. • Only those edits which have > been validated to contain no malicious vandalism or unintentional > errors so we can show them in our di

Re: [OSM-talk] Announcing Daylight Map Distribution

Fixing stuff in OSM purely from imagery may not be good. > > A local mapper who sees something may add it before any satellite imagery > has it. > > If you then 'fix' this back to the satellite imagery you will have > committed an error, > and that error may dissuade our most important resource fro

Re: [OSM-talk] Planet torrents...

On 2020-03-07 09:36, Christian Quest wrote: This week was the first one I had nothing to do (or fix) :) Do you have scripts for this? (have to ask before I go make one myself) Do not hesitate to share your own findings if you have tested the planet torrents ! I've been seeding now for 2 da