Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 08:36, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: The massive Sydney rail system used for mass transport is *railway* They are not light_rail. Tramway implies that the vehicle shares the street with the cars and bicycles and trucks. In Sydney the tramway diverges from the roadway at various

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 02:07, Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/India/Railways freight lines. Let me know what you guys think. If you want to specify width, use the width=* tag, guage is a subset of width but was defined in various countries to mean

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 09:59, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: And this isn't a defining thing anyway, because in Rockhampton the railway goes down the middle of the main road for some distance. Was/is that for cane trains? (light rail) ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Detailed tagging scheme for railways - India

2010-05-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 May 2010 10:06, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 May 2010 09:59, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: And this isn't a defining thing anyway, because in Rockhampton the railway goes down the middle of the main road for some distance. Was/is that for cane trains

Re: [OSM-talk] Garmin Maps

2010-05-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 May 2010 01:55, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: out of interest, does RM actually compensate you then? I don't know about RM in the UK, but Auspost in Australia hates paying up on insurance claims and they will usually track it down and find it as a result :)

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Hiring 300 Temps to Fix Map Errors

2010-05-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 May 2010 01:50, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/05/google_hiring_300_temp_workers_in_kirkland_to_pinpoint_bugs_in_google_maps.html Anyone care to come up with a press release that says something like OpenStreetMap volunteers, numbering in the 10s

Re: [OSM-talk] scuba dive sites

2010-05-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 May 2010 14:40, Joe Richards joefis...@yahoo.com wrote: On searching, I have seen several pages and proposals in the wiki for scuba diving sites and for dive shops. I am currently tagging up the island of Utila, Honduras, which is well known for its diving. What can I use as a basic

Re: [OSM-talk] Navigation Debug Map Style Available

2010-05-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 May 2010 14:32, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: For navigation, how about surfaces - people diligently record this information but it's hardly ever used. Particularly surface=paved, unpaved, dirt, cobblestone, etc... Access tags? Bus/tram/train route I'd love to see unpaved

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Navigation Debug Map Style Available

2010-05-21 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Nick Black nickbla...@gmail.com Date: 21 May 2010 20:36 Subject: [OSM-talk] Navigation Debug Map Style Available To: osm t...@openstreetmap.org Cc: Pavel Tsekhotsky ptsekhot...@cogniance.com, Vladimir Agafonkin vagafon...@cloudmade.com Hi Guys,

Re: [talk-au] General Observations.

2010-05-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 May 2010 14:36, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: stick with it and be consistent. We should also make our tools as flexible as possible, to allow people to search both abbreviated and unabbreviated forms. Even to the extent that Saint Kilda should work, even though it's never

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-20 Thread John Smith
Have since uploaded these locations: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4757013 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Service road only rendering the name but not the road

2010-05-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 May 2010 09:09, Christoph Donges cdon...@gmail.com wrote: I have been doing some work on Inglewood (Queensland) when I visit for work. I made some changes to 'Callandoon Lane' weeks ago but it's only showing the name but not the road. Have I done something wrong or is the a bug? The

Re: [OSM-talk] place=isolated_dwelling approved - adding to mapfeatures

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 22:11, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I guess you would generally have to adopt the criteria for places in AU, we did this in Germany and Italy as well. e.g. 999 inhabitants is far too big for a hamlet in Europe. Towns we are not classifying by population (on

Re: [OSM-talk] Historical Mapping Examples?

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 May 2010 08:02, Rob Warren war...@muninn-project.org wrote: Historical mapping has some problems that are a bit different from conventional mapping in that 1) everything is a timestamp and 2) research people care very much about the data being 'wrong'. While it would be nice for the OSM

Re: [talk-au] General Observations.

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 May 2010 11:01, Brendan Morley morb@beagle.com.au wrote: Brisbane regularly have the street type abbreviated (ST, RD, MWY, ART) and I think it is better to record the in the field name as such. Even with accurate capitalisation. Think tourists who aren't familiar with the way we do

Re: [talk-au] General Observations.

2010-05-19 Thread John Smith
On 20 May 2010 12:12, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote: abbreviations policy. It also means there's a couple of St . that I need to go back and fix to Saint .. Saint can be either St or Saint, eg St George shouldn't be expanded.

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 17:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Not sure if that hits it either. You're right about spammers but if you map in Long Beach (and are uninterested in mapping LA) and someone sets up a SoCal OSM convention in LA, you wouldn't get that invitation... so whoever hosts

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 08:43, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: So, he is new to osm but not new to linux, and if we can find the right phone for him, maybe more people will be also motivated to help with osm, when they see somone sitting in the cafe with a nice

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:29, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Anyway, the question was about linux phones. Maybe so, but you didn't give enough context as to why. our group in albania and kosovo is not just promoting and working on OSM and freedom of the maps, but

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:37, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: In which case your only options, to the best of my knowledge, are the nokia n900 and the freerunner... Android phones are usually too locked down to be considered free by most FLOSS groups... Well, if

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
On 19 May 2010 09:50, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: actually for mapping all gps devices in phones that I know of (don't know for the HTC) are worse than much cheaper dedicated gps receivers. Depends on the antenna design as much as anything else, just because it's a phone

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
I've managed to convert most of the relevant information from the ACMA spread sheet and convert it to OSM format using nodes and relations, including start and end dates for temporary licenses. So the question now is what to do with the data, there is 2,152 locations and 7,633

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
Sorry forgot to attach a sample tower for comments on the tags I used. sample.osm Description: Binary data ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

[talk-au] ga.gov.au website

2010-05-18 Thread John Smith
I was just on ga.gov.au and saw this notice on the bottom of the page: Unless otherwise noted, all Geoscience Australia material on this website is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 Australia Licence. http://www.ga.gov.au/geodesy/argn/

Re: [OSM-talk] lazyweb: what linux-based wifi gps phone would you recommend

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 22:47, Joseph Reeves iknowjos...@gmail.com wrote: HTC Desire: if you want an iPhone without the ponce factor There is a lot of android phones to pick from, not sure how many allow root access or you can get root access with them. Openmoko FreeRunner: if you want to run Debian on

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 22:31, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Could it be done selectively - only in urban areas? No need for an extra zoom level in the desert... That would at least help with the storage and generation aspects. Most map tile systems setup with mod_tile only generate on

Re: [OSM-talk] Extra zoom level needed?

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 07:00, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: One thing that has frustrated me with the current tiling system is that most POIs are only visible if you zoom in all the way, and can only see an area 50 meters or so across. This rather limits their usefulness. It would

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] guide to spatial acronyms

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Ross Johnson ros...@hotmail.com Date: 17 May 2010 16:06 Subject: [Aust-NZ] guide to spatial acronyms To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org This is a handy guide for deciphering acronyms used in the spatial industry!

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 20:12, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: multiple transponders and transmitters is normal, isn't it? (puts on ham radio hat) Not always, think older AM radio mast installations, especially in rural areas... ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 08:04, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: around here every mast has heaps of transmitters tower space can be sold for good money a single transmitter on a tower is rare, unless we map these ones Maybe so, but the data the ACMA released only covers TV and radio stations, it

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 10:29, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: FF3 or Konqueror was enough to get a listing of the sites close to a given area despite a piece saying xml error They have a map, but I couldn't get it to work, just the XML errors in frames... ___

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] FW: Request to Participate in GEOSS Survey [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bruce Bannerman b.banner...@bom.gov.au Date: 18 May 2010 11:21 Subject: [Aust-NZ] FW: Request to Participate in GEOSS Survey [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org aust...@lists.osgeo.org Fyi. This is a worthwhile survey if you get the time.

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-17 Thread John Smith
On 18 May 2010 13:00, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Relations should only be used for groups of objects in which each object may take on a specific role. Maybe so, but it's often the best way to tag things at present since you can't have duplicate keys, but in this case you are

[talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-16 Thread John Smith
CC-by dataset just turned up: http://data.australia.gov.au/622 It seems pretty straight forward to convert this to .osm format, suitable for JOSM. However I'm after suggestions on how to deal with the .osm file(s). I'm leaning towards producing metro and non-metro data sets and bulk importing

[talk-au] Fwd: [Aust-NZ] The National Plan for Environmental Information [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

2010-05-16 Thread John Smith
-- Forwarded message -- From: Bruce Bannerman b.banner...@bom.gov.au Date: 17 May 2010 14:30 Subject: [Aust-NZ] The National Plan for Environmental Information [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: aust...@lists.osgeo.org aust...@lists.osgeo.org fyi: http://www.environment.gov.au/npei/

Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?

2010-05-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 15:27, Stephen Hope slh...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/basin%3Dinfiltration +1, waterway=drain according to current wiki doco only applied to ways ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Broadcast tower locations

2010-05-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 May 2010 15:07, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Is that because you're worried there will be a lot of duplicates with existing data in metro areas? Could you perhaps import it all, but Some people were upset at previous imports in metro areas.

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-15 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 18:42, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I guess the giveaway is the loaded truck entering off Old Dandenong Rd. OTOH, to the east of that road are a few piles of different kinds of dirt: http://www.nearmap.com/?ll=-37.952009,145.101886z=19t=hnmd=20100416 So I

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-15 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 21:29, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/5/15 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com: Due to all the potential hazardous waste dumped in past years most landfills aren't suitable for much else unless they're properly cleaned up first. quite close

Re: [OSM-talk] Quarry or construction?

2010-05-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 May 2010 02:31, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Adding them to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Attribution seems like a good idea, but I see a potential problem. Have any of the au community who are so enthusiastically using nearmap as a source considered the effect of the OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 May 2010 13:06, Arlindo Pereira openstreet...@arlindopereira.com wrote: the editor but I can't do anything because the program freezes). How can I split it in smaller files for an easier edition? osmosis ___ talk mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Tagging stormwater drain areas?

2010-05-15 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 16:27, Andrew Gregory and...@scss.com.au wrote: The best I can come up with is tagging a closed way with waterway=drain;area=yes. You shouldn't need to explicitly tag area=yes, you might want to add surface=grass though... ___ Talk-au

[talk-au] New gateway motorway bridge duplication

2010-05-15 Thread John Smith
It's been months now since a new section of the gateway motorway opened and it still hasn't appeared on their maps, and today, or tomorrow at the latest, the gateway motorway bridge opens to traffic. So I'm wondering if we should start a pool on how long before the bridge and other road works

Re: [OSM-talk] Help to import Rio de Janeiro city data to OSM - misaligned shapefiles

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
2010/5/14 Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es: Any ideas? I don't think that the government data is misaligned like that. You're wrong: it is. It all comes down to which reference system you use. Unfortunately, you'll need two years of geodetics classes in a university to have a full

Re: [OSM-talk] Flash and open source

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 May 2010 08:51, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: It's a frickin' browser plugin, if the browser is letting it access your l337 credit card details then the browser probably ought to address its plugin architecture. Badly written Flash may crash my browser but it has not yet

Re: [talk-au] Ways incorrectly tagged as admin boundaries?

2010-05-14 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 14:14, Balram Ramanathan balram.ramanat...@nearmap.com wrote: Hi, I've come across a handful of Ways with ABS data attributions that are (probably incorrectly) marked as administrative boundaries. They are: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14191309

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 03:14, Robert Martinez m...@mray.de wrote: - scaling makes it impossible to retain the nice details you want to apply to the logo Only if the logo is in raster, or only if you are shrinking it to an extremely small size, this is where SVG comes in... and then maybe use a

Re: [OSM-talk] The contributor terms are now translatable

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 07:41, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Why_would_I_want_my_contributions_to_be_public_domain Can we have a why would I not want my contributions to be public domain linked there as well?

Re: [OSM-talk] The contributor terms are now translatable

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 08:16, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Just move the Why would I want my contributions to be public domain wiki page to a more neutral title, and have it explain both points. I just wanted arguments for and against to be shown, I'm happy to move it but don't want

Re: [OSM-talk] new logo

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 09:24, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Does McDonalds have a burger in their logo? Does Nike have a shoe in their logo? Does IBM have a computer in their logo? Logos of 2 out of the 3 listed above have something to do with the business name, even if it isn't to do with

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
Either the ABS boundaries might be wrong, or the boundary has moved since 2006, or where you think the boundary is, isn't where the ABS thinks it is, it's borderlineish though... http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=16ll=-27.517,153.028layer=B00TT ___

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 18:08, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Either the ABS boundaries might be wrong, or the boundary has moved since 2006, or where you think the boundary is, isn't where the ABS thinks it is, it's borderlineish though... http://maps.bigtincan.com/?z=16ll

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 23:40, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think I know what might be going on. The property is clearly within the suburb of Annerley, however, the property's associatedStreet *is itself a suburb boundary*. If that's the case, is the street numbered? Maybe

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-13 Thread John Smith
On 14 May 2010 08:51, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 1:17 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 23:40, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, I think I know what might be going on. The property is clearly within the suburb

Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL

2010-05-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 00:47, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: will take you here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/terms where essentially you are signing up to the existing CCBYSA plus the ODbL (Open Database License). To save people creating new accounts, possibly using bogus details,

Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL

2010-05-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 01:19, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: Here's one: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/6/6c/Contributor-terms.png Is the France/Italy options translations, or different terms? ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL

2010-05-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 01:24, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: They're translations. They can be viewed in the rails.git source files, but I can't find a human readable thing (e.g. on the osmf wiki) anywhere that has a copy of them. I would have thought it would have been a good idea to

Re: [OSM-talk] New users have to sign up to the ODbL

2010-05-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 01:56, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason ava...@gmail.com wrote: You can override it by adjusting the Accept-Language settings in your browser. But how we do language *detection* is a separate from how we should do content delivery once we've done the detection. That's my point, the

Re: [OSM-talk] mass mailing osm mappers

2010-05-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 07:13, Robin Paulson robin.paul...@gmail.com wrote: set their location as in NZ, or (b) everyone who has made an edit within NZ? is there an AUP for osm which forbids this? b is possible, although you'd need to be able to do some internet connected scripting, you pull down a

Re: [talk-au] Nominatim gives wrong suburb?

2010-05-12 Thread John Smith
On 13 May 2010 08:20, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: Gday, On osm.org, search for Annerville Place. The Nominatim results suggest the address is in Yeronga, however, this should be Annerley. Can someone please check the relevant admin boundaries and let me know why this happens? I

Re: [OSM-talk] Create custom map from OSM data

2010-05-10 Thread John Smith
On 11 May 2010 02:33, Tanveer Singh tanveer1...@gmail.com wrote: 2. Open it in some GUI tool You mean like JOSM? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [talk-au] Perth Vandalism Reverted

2010-05-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 May 2010 18:03, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: It's amazing that I was receiving emails saying You've just added/edited a non-existant road ..., Why did you do that? Are they in Perth or even Australia? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Perth Vandalism Reverted

2010-05-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 May 2010 18:23, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Both. Then you have to wonder why they didn't do something about it themselves... either to report it or fix it... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] Perth Vandalism Reverted

2010-05-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 May 2010 18:53, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Lazy. That doesn't make any sense since you were doing something about it and they contacted you... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] More General Observations

2010-05-09 Thread John Smith
On 9 May 2010 19:33, Ross Scanlon i...@4x4falcon.com wrote: Mainly on straight roads. I know when tracing it can make it easier to do so using lots of nodes but this vandalism was hard to revert because of the number of excess nodes on ways. I've seen excess nodes created because people

Re: [talk-au] More Nearmap imagery

2010-05-09 Thread John Smith
A tad over 2000km^2 of imagery from the northern end of the central coast + Newcastle has become available. Nearmap has announced they took imagery of Gosford but this imagery isn't online so I assume this imagery is still to be processed and/or uploaded.

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 May 2010 11:00, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: This is a permanent waterway (the Shoalhaven River), and is quite wide at the ford to keep the water depth low. I would drop the layer tag, they still physically intersect. As for rendeing, I've filed a ticket:

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 17:01, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Granted, this is _photograhing inside a military zone_, and not looking from a public road to a military zone, but the legality of it all depends on the law of the country. No one is encouraging or saying you should map anything if it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 17:36, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: I wouldn't bet on a government saying you were not in our country when you disclosed our state secrets, so you're off the hook. I'm sure that if they find their secrets to be important enough, they will arrest you if you come to that

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 18:14, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: you do not have any f*cking right to call it substandard. I would agree with you on that one! It's easy to misinterpret what non-native english speaking people say, substandard probably isn't what the

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 19:36, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: If this happens, then we have a clash of two principles. Either we say that the principle of subsidiarity overrides the freedom to tag, allowing the Russians to restrict that freedom in their area because it is, after all, their

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 19:50, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I share your doubts but then again, to use the same kind of slippery slope argument, if I were to remove all bullshit from our Wiki there'd not be much left. Most of the bullshit, as you put it, doesn't purport to be authoritative,

Re: [talk-au] More Nearmap imagery

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
Yet more imagery is becoming available, filling in most of the gap south of Bendigo. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/904578 Nearmap now covers about 1.7% of Australia, pushing the area from just under 49,000km^2 the other day to now almost 57,000km^2.

Re: [talk-au] More Nearmap imagery

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 May 2010 11:16, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting. It looks like NearMap was denied air traffic clearance to fly over Puckapunyal. I would have thought flying over it would be a non-issue but it looks like it was one. I'm quite surprised how many military areas they

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 May 2010 07:29, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: The -1 layer tag accurately describes the situation when the ford=yes tag is actually and literally applicable. There may be no special construction of the roadway at a ford - just a warning to expect a wet crossing for a period after

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 May 2010 07:14, Liz ed...@billiau.net wrote: would we agree here when the waterway is dry (normal condition to me) Depends which side the range you are on, east of it they are often wet. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 May 2010 11:16, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Not to mention the difference between a ford and a floodway. Sometimes the distinction isn't clear, and best left to the mapper. What is the difference between a ford and a floodway/causeway? I thought they were the same thing.

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] old Army Map Service Topographic Maps as WMS ?

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
Since US Gov data isn't copyright I thought this might interest some as there is some Australian maps... http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-sd-sc-52-2nd-ed.jpg http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/imw/txu-oclc-6654394-sd-sc-54-2nd-ed.jpg

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 May 2010 12:37, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: On 08/05/10 11:57, John Smith wrote: What is the difference between a ford and a floodway/causeway? I thought they were the same thing. And a floodway to be a section of road that you wouldn't usually need to slow for, but which

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 May 2010 13:16, ed...@billiau.net wrote: actually the next two pictures have the depth markers The Gwydir Highway east of Moree has a long stretch of road signed as flood plain including depth markers, but I'm still looking on google street view for the signs...

Re: [talk-au] rendering fords

2010-05-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 May 2010 15:14, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Most floodway signs don't require slowing unless it's raining. I understood after Liz's photos, I'm used to them being referred as flood plains. ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Russians at it again

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
On 7 May 2010 07:15, Milo van der Linden m...@dogodigi.net wrote: My personal opinion: Let them. It is a good thing they are figuring out how to enjoy OpenStreetMap without putting themselves at risk *and* in the mean time try to prevent a total blockade of OpenStreetMap in Russia. What

[talk-au] More Nearmap imagery

2010-05-06 Thread John Smith
The Anglesea and surrounding areas is now coming online, it appears in total Nearmap have added an additional area of almost 2,500km^2 of imagery, although the flight seems to overlap with existing imagery from previous flights... The imagery is still being processed so some tiles don't render

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Months-old vandalism needs to be taken care of

2010-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 6 May 2010 01:10, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I'm struggling to find *any* method of signing up to OSM and modifying data that makes it look like a game. Maybe he confused the monopoly game that uses OSM data? ___ talk mailing list

[talk-au] NSW data sets

2010-05-05 Thread John Smith
Did anyone hear about data.nsw.gov.au ? http://data.nsw.gov.au/catalogue I found it by accident... ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] NSW data sets

2010-05-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 May 2010 23:37, Alex (Maxious) Sadleir maxi...@gmail.com wrote: I did when it was launched but all the released Spatial data is standard copyright terms, not Creative Commons. Specifically for the Yea, after all the cc-by data on the australia.gov.au website it seems silly for NSW not to

Re: [talk-au] Pretty maps generated using OSM data

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 May 2010 15:29, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Yep. Plus the infrastructure to request tiles in a given style, without having to download software. Most of the styles are linked to websites that you can use, or did you have something else in mind?

[talk-au] OSM Talk by David Dean in Brisbane on the 25th of May

2010-05-04 Thread John Smith
GUEST SPEAKER: David Dean on OpenStreetMap, a web 2.0, crowd sourcing, social networking development. Come along on 5:30pm Tuesday 25 May to the first 2010 SITSIG meeting in the new venue, ACS Level 7, 333 Adelaide St (Theodore Building, between Creek and Wharf Sts

Re: [OSM-talk] Voting for place=isolated_dwelling is open

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 May 2010 13:52, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: No. Houses don't generally have names, they have numbers. This Rural properties in Australia, even those close to towns, often have names... Even if the rural renumbering scheme has also given these places numbers... Houses located

[talk-au] Pretty maps generated using OSM data

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
http://opengeodata.org/beautiful-railway-maps-of-india This is a good example of why having accessible data, not just map tiles, can be much more useful. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap Coverage

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 22:46, Luke Woolley lswool...@gmail.com wrote: I am pretty sure they have not flown Ballarat yet. I haven't seen any forum I could have sworn I saw them announce Ballarat on their forum, but I can't find it so I'll remove it... posts or twitter updates about Ballarat, but it

Re: [talk-au] Pretty maps generated using OSM data

2010-05-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 May 2010 13:57, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: A second thought: it would be nice to have a standard collection of the major map styles, to instantly generate this kind of map for wherever. Obvious candidates: You mean like mapnik.org publishes?

Re: [OSM-talk] WikiProject_FLOSS (was: OSM composer not open source?)

2010-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 08:36, Nic Roets nro...@gmail.com wrote: The most important reason (for me at least) to write OSM related FLOSS, is increase the rate at which tags are standardized. For example, if contributors find that their favorite router generates bad routes, they look for bugs in the

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 May 2010 23:44, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Where is there discussion about the 'harmful' effect of tagging each entry/exit way? Ive had a quick look but only came across that comment. What that means is entrance or exits from different parts of the intersection shouldn't

[talk-au] Nearmap Coverage

2010-05-02 Thread John Smith
I was curious how much actual coverage Nearmap currently has, and since we have boundaries for Nearmap coverage I thought I'd make use of them. I rounded the area to 2dp, but here is the result... Sydney = 9054.79km^2 Carnarvon = 2352.25km^2 Perth = 32454.66km^2 Rottness = 34.49km^2 Adelaide =

Re: [talk-au] Nearmap Coverage

2010-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 08:23, Peter Ross pe...@emailross.com wrote: Which is 1.5% of australias total surface area (7 692 024km^2) with victoria leading the way with 20% of the state having aerial coverage (237,629km^2). I think it's somewhat less as the melbourne coverage extends into NSW, but even

Re: [talk-au] Mini Roundabouts.

2010-05-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 May 2010 08:25, John Henderson snow...@gmx.com wrote: Unless you live on one of those islands (as I do) and you want OSM maps You live on the island in the middle of a roundabout? ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org

[talk-au] Yahoo coverage

2010-05-02 Thread John Smith
I wanted to know how the Yahoo coverage compared to Nearmap, turns out it's about 1/3rd the area. Brisbane: 7129.66km^2 Sunshine Coast: 1216.55km^2 Carins Area: 3114.15km^2 Townsville Area: 1615.53km^2 Rockhampton Area: 768.84km^2 Darwin Area: 735.13km^2 Adelaide Area: 2839.33km^2 Canberra Area:

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM composer not open source?

2010-05-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 May 2010 18:27, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Please don't get to personal here, it is not about my morals. It is about consistency and clarity. There isn't much I can do about the truth offending you, you did indeed use emotive language to push an

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM composer not open source?

2010-05-01 Thread John Smith
On 1 May 2010 18:56, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: I would hope that every user of OpenStreetMap has the same 'morals' of wishing open-ness and freedom upon everyone else. Strangely, it also becomes emotive for some points. Motivations and morals are 2 completely different topics,

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