[OSM-talk] Underwater scuba map in KML

2010-02-22 Thread TimSC
preference). TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-19 Thread TimSC
terms cannot accept any data with an attribution condition. Hopefully that is not the case! Is that interpretation any way valid, interesting, cross eyed? If the answer is already out there, just link to it. Thanks! TimSC ___ legal-talk

[OSM-legal-talk] viral attribution and ODbL

2010-04-19 Thread TimSC
tmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2010-April/005707.html ) This really only becomes an issue if/when ODbL relicensing kicks in, as I understand. This issue also applies to OS opendata, as it requires attribution. Is work afoot to get OS to agree to compatibility with ODbL? (Probably in the LWG?) Ti

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread TimSC
shows how much most companies know. I don't see BSD as much more or less fragmented than linux (given the whole Google/Android kernel branch being left to rot.) Also, if we really cared about share-alike, we would have it apply to "produced works" - that would encourage c

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread TimSC
On 18/07/10 19:39, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 04:30, TimSC wrote: Also, if we really cared about share-alike, we would have it apply to "produced works" - that would encourage companies to give back. Judging by a same straw poll, very few people cared about SA ex

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-18 Thread TimSC
On 18/07/10 21:22, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 06:18, TimSC wrote: On 18/07/10 19:39, John Smith wrote: On 19 July 2010 04:30, TimSC wrote: Also, if we really cared about share-alike, we would have it apply to "produced works" - that would encourage co

Re: [OSM-talk] What could we do to make this licences discussion more inclusive?

2010-07-19 Thread TimSC
rmer considered "who should rule?", the later considers "how do we tame the rulers?". TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PD declaration non binding?

2010-07-23 Thread TimSC
lly sound if I download my own contribution due, to database rights? Would this interfere with relicensing of the data? TimSC ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread TimSC
nk anyone should be surprised that relicensing is so divisive. I think the consensus for licensing has not been properly quantified (and if I am wrong, please get on with relicensing). And a consensus should not be used to silence dissent. That would be tyranny of t

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread TimSC
ough you can even be right) as you are draining the community. What are you talking about? The guidelines SteveC proposed are to moderate how the discussion should be conducted, not how the project is defined! TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@op

Re: [OSM-talk] Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people

2010-08-10 Thread TimSC
, that this whole proposal is mainly motivated by the desire to censor dissent. TimSC On 10/08/10 21:29, steve brown wrote: If you do suggest changes, just go ahead and make them on the page ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] ODBL vote (was Re: Enough is enough: disinfecting OSM from poisonous people)

2010-08-12 Thread TimSC
sue on the legal-talk mailing list. No answer yet. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2010-August/003968.html TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] BDFL & Moderation

2010-08-12 Thread TimSC
procedure. Perhaps the title "OSM discussion moderator" might be more appropriate, and enables SteveC to pass it along if necessary. TimSC [1] http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Main_Page [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Questions_to_LW

Re: [OSM-talk] Hypothetical question about objects that will not be relicensed

2010-08-14 Thread TimSC
re. It might do more harm than good, depending on the outcome. TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-16 Thread TimSC
d in other people's views. Regards, TimSC ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] ODbL, CTs and tracing GPS tracks

2010-08-18 Thread TimSC
On 18/08/10 15:13, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:51 PM, TimSC wrote: Is tracing someones ODbL licensed GPS track a creation of a derived database or a produced work? Depends how you store the trace, doesn't it? How specifically does the interpretation of the ODbL d

Re: [OSM-talk] ODbL vs CC-by-SA pros and cons

2010-08-28 Thread TimSC
case quite well: http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/File:License_Proposal.pdf http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/We_Are_Changing_The_License TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] In what direction should OSM go?

2010-09-29 Thread TimSC
ning a data set for which the original surveyor is no longer participating. The alternative is to resurvey the whole planet every decade from scratch. TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Multiple OSM instances

2010-10-06 Thread TimSC
://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Forking TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] If you've missed this ...

2010-10-06 Thread TimSC
On 06/10/10 00:59, Richard Weait wrote: http://opengeodata.org/osm-founder-steve-coast-leaves-cloudmade What, if any, impact does this have on OSM and OSMF, I wonder? TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread TimSC
mailing list? So the question is: how should the various organs of OSM interact to best achieve the overall goal of OSM? Answers on a post card :) Regards, TimSC [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Board_Meeting_June_2011 [2] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_119fr26kqdz *

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread TimSC
k you are confusing "support the relicense" with "accept the relicense" and that difference is significant. TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-10 Thread TimSC
On 10/06/11 22:51, Dermot McNally wrote: On 10 June 2011 22:16, TimSC wrote: I think you are confusing "support the relicense" with "accept the relicense" and that difference is significant. Not at all - I know of no form of democracy that distinguishes between gr

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-11 Thread TimSC
ut no "signal", as engineers would call it. TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-11 Thread TimSC
n the OSMF as a member (people keep suggesting this but I don't actually agree!) Regards, TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Join the OSMF !

2011-06-13 Thread TimSC
ism in the CTs is different from what previously had happened. But really the past doesn't matter as much as what we do next. Regards, TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

[OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-13 Thread TimSC
parties and Richard: please respond with a definition of what constitutes "news" and/or some reasoning that it is "one person's hobbyhorse", otherwise I will revert you back. Also if you want to raise awareness of the poll, I would appreciate some support here! ;) Reg

Re: [OSM-talk] Poll on Governance, what constitutes news, wiki front page

2011-06-15 Thread TimSC
ed your request - live and let live. I am not asking you to do much - I am just asking for you to lay off, please. So now I hope we can agree that other people think the poll is news, and that it is consistent with past news items, are there any other _constructive_ comments regarding putting the p

[OSM-legal-talk] License for OSM tiles

2011-06-20 Thread TimSC
x27;t recommend SA licensed tiles for that. This forces me into OS's arms with their BY type OpenData. I would prefer to use a crowd sourced map that is not SA for tiles. (Unless I can trace over OSM tiles without violating the current tile license, which I don't think is possible.)

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Thread TimSC
eves it should be done differently. Credo experto - believe me, i've tried. TimSC ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Thread TimSC
ost normal legal professionals can't understand, unless they are specialists). I suggest as many tasks as possible be moved into domains were people actually have the skills to help out. (This might be a lame idea but at least I am trying to

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Thread TimSC
a high standard of behavior set by the community leaders. (Yes, admittedly moderation takes volunteers but we need to agree on a plan before implementing it.) Can anyone think of a better plan? Regards, TimSC PS I plan to disregard, as much as I can, all non-constructive input. I will

Re: [OSM-talk] Pitiful proceedings - as usual

2011-06-20 Thread TimSC
On 20/06/11 18:35, Dair Grant wrote: TimSC wrote: I suggest as many tasks as possible be moved into domains were people actually have the skills to help out. Then I suggest you do it, rather than just suggest it. Doing things without discussing it might result in bad things

Re: [OSM-talk] What is ad hominem and bad faith

2011-06-21 Thread TimSC
On 6/20/2011 8:03 AM, TimSC wrote: It would be nice if the committee would be aware of this long standing problems and as[k] for help from the community too. We have considerable human resources in the community and if people are over worked, perhaps they should delegate more? Also, it can