Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dair Grant Sent: 16 October 2008 16:31 To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments Jonathan Harley wrote

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: 16 October 2008 09:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread MJ Ray
Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Feel free to tinker with the wiki page directly and then post to say what you have done. There is no edit link on the top of the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License Best wishes, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire,

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread MJ Ray
Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no edit link on the top of the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Open_Data_License Sign in (or register) and then there will be an edit button! That should be mentioned on the page, because it's different to other MediaWikis. I

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread Jonathan Harley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The key seems to be individually accessible in a systemic way. To me this implies attributes (columns) and tuples (rows of one or more related attributes) that can be accessed. A bit map would not be a database, but XML, csv, xls, shape files would. The

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread Barnett, Phillip
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MJ Ray Sent: 16 October 2008 14:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no edit link on the top of the wiki page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
MJ Ray wrote: I won't because I don't want yet another bloody website password. I'm already scared of the amount of stuff I'll lose if my browser password store goes titsup. Isn't there an OpenID MediaWiki plugin? cf http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_AuthPlugin , in progress

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-16 Thread Dair Grant
Jonathan Harley wrote: A bit map would not be a database, but XML, csv, xls, shape files would. The interesting distinction may be vector data that is not organized in a direct searchable fashion - so, would svg (for example) be a database? H... Definitely. Searching an SVG or any

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, That's basically because the maps I've drawn are Derivative, not Collective. What leads you to assume that your .ai files are databases? They're computer readable and they have individual objects that can be accessed... but what file hasn't? At what stage of processing would they, in

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Fairhurst Sent: 15 October 2008 12:20 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments Peter Miller wrote: Tim

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Jochen Topf
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 02:47:39PM +0100, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: What leads you to assume that your .ai files are databases? They're computer readable and they have individual objects that can be accessed... but what file hasn't? From ODBL: Database – A

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Waters (chippy) Sent: 14 October 2008 21:22 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments On 10/14

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: I am basing my response of the Brief, not the current draft of ODBL (they are not that different except in the definition of a Derivative DB), however it would be my understanding that if you combined the OSM DB (unaltered) with another data-source (the PD one you refer

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread jim
The key seems to be individually accessible in a systemic way. To me this implies attributes (columns) and tuples (rows of one or more related attributes) that can be accessed. A bit map would not be a database, but XML, csv, xls, shape files would. The interesting distinction may be vector

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Peter Miller
I feel that the above question should never appear in a call for comments: no one person can speak for everyone else. It's very much an anyone feel like being shouted at? question. I hope we can avoid shouting:) I do think it is important that we discuss issues now rather than at the end

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-15 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 October 2008 20:46 To: Licensing and other legal discussions. Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments The key

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call forcomments

2008-10-14 Thread Peter Miller
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:legal-talk- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Sent: 14 October 2008 11:54 To: 'Licensing and other legal discussions.' Subject: [Spam] Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licence brief/Use Case - final call