Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Tobias Knerr wrote: > In my opinion, changeset-based sources also make it clear which edit was > using which source. For example, since good Bing imagery has become > available, I've developed a habit to trace the buildings in an area from > Bing, then go out and

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Tobias Knerr
Steve Bennett wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >> You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this >> is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is >> recommended to use the changeset comments. > > Source is disput

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/17 Steve Bennett : > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer > Source is disputed? By whom? I've never heard any dispute about it? I > put a source tag on every single object I create, and try and update > it when I modify it. It is not completely useless but I observed that

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:00 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this > is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is > recommended to use the changeset comments. Source is disputed? By whom? I've never heard an

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Ed Avis
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason gmail.com> writes: >I've been away for a while. But it seems to me from reading the terms >that I can't say yes to them in good faith, not because I don't want >to, but because I remember I derived a few things from external >CC-BY-SA, and I can't now recall what they were

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:50 PM, SomeoneElse wrote: > On 16/06/2011 18:00, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> >> You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this >> is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is >> recommended to use the changeset comments.

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread SomeoneElse
On 16/06/2011 18:00, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: You can also put this information in the change-set-comment. IMHO this is where this belongs to. AFAIK the source-tag is disputed and it is recommended to use the changeset comments. The problem with the changeset "source" tag is that there's no

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/6/16 Toby Murray : > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) > wrote: >> >> and that the source tag is certainly recommended, but not enforced. > > There is no such thing as an "enforced tag" in OSM. If you choose not > to use a tag then that is your choice. Not using a sour

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Toby Murray-2 wrote: > > There is no such thing as an "enforced tag" in OSM. If you choose not > to use a tag then that is your choice. > "Enforced" may have been a poor choice of word. What I meant was that, as I understand it, there is no particular licensing requirement that every node/way

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) wrote: > > and that the source tag is certainly recommended, but not enforced. There is no such thing as an "enforced tag" in OSM. If you choose not to use a tag then that is your choice. Not using a source tag when basing your mapping on

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Nick Whitelegg
have contributed has source=OS OpenData or some such. I really don't care that much even if that is deleted. Nick -Toby Murray wrote: - To: talk@openstreetmap.org From: Toby Murray Date: 16/06/2011 02:07AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't acc

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Graham Stewart (GrahamS)
Steve Bennett-3 wrote: > > ..the -BY- part means you > have to attribute the source. So presumably you weren't in compliance > with their licence anyway... > My understanding is that attribution is covered by the public attributions on this Wiki page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contri

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-16 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Steve Bennett-3 wrote: > > Hi Aevar, > Out of curiosity, how do you derive stuff from a CC-BY-SA source > without making a note of the source? I mean, the -BY- part means you > have to attribute the source. So presumably you weren't in compliance > with their licence anyway... > Here's one pos

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > I've been away for a while. But it seems to me from reading the terms > that I can't say yes to them in good faith, not because I don't want > to, but because I remember I derived a few things from external > CC-BY-SA, and I can't n

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Toby Murray
If only there were a way to indicate the *source* of a given object... This is obviously hindsight and doesn't help at this point in your situation but seriously... The source=* tag: use it. Toby On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:48 PM, john whelan wrote: > Exactly my own situation, except following p

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread john whelan
Exactly my own situation, except following poor advice I accepted the new CT. Apparently it is not possible to change the CT status and my formal request to have my suspect data deleted seems to have been ignored. My recommendation is not to accept the CT, and reenter those items that you did fro

Re: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100%of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread David Groom
- Original Message - From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" To: "OpenStreetMap blather" Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:06 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100%of my data? Back in 2006 I wrote the following

[OSM-talk] Can I say "yes" to the ODbL if I can't account for 100% of my data?

2011-06-15 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
Back in 2006 I wrote the following when it still wasn't clear what the ODbL acceptance terms would be like: On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 22:10, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > If someone presents me with a boolean "Do you allow relicensing under > the ODbL" I'll have to say no because some of my edits