On 20.03.2014 08:32, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
I would only use old_name:fi if there is also a different name:fi (which
makes the other name:fi the old one), otherwise use name:fi for Finnish names
and additionally, if you want to state that this was once the official name,
use old_name=*
Am 22/mar/2014 um 15:32 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
In my opinion, old_name:fi is for Finnish names that have fallen out of
use, regardless of whether it has been replaced by a Finnish name or a
Russian name.
This interpretation also offers a lot more flexibility to
There is interaction between Wikidata, the OHM, the historians working with
gazetteers, LOD researchers and Jochen Topf Tim Alder's work. The
Wikimaps project is trying to stay abreast of the development to build on
that.
I think also that Wikidata will lead the way and will offer a crowdsourced
Am 19/mar/2014 um 21:37 schrieb Chris Helenius chris.helen...@gmail.com:
Before I go and add name:fi= place-names, I'd like to hear what the community
thinks of this.
if the Finnish name is still used by the Finnish people (regardless whether
they still live there or not) you should
Am 19/mar/2014 um 21:59 schrieb Laurence Penney l...@lorp.org:
While the larger cities have well-known and current German names that are
uncontroversial — Warschau, Posen, Breslau, etc. — many small towns and
villages would only have been given German names during the Third Reich.
+1,
Am 19/mar/2014 um 22:15 schrieb Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
In addition, the name page mentions the option of old_name:lang=* which
might best fit what you're looking for.
I would only use old_name:fi if there is also a different name:fi (which makes
the other name:fi the
Am 20/mar/2014 um 07:58 schrieb Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@gmail.com:
Do the notability guidelines of Wikimedia allow storing only important places?
because the consequence of using wikidata will be to have wikidata objects not
only for places but also for minor streets and squares as soon
but astonishingly I can't find a single instance of these with taginfo
right now (maybe some mass-retagging?).
An example of different names through time:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/9873833
Instances like the one above are even searchable in nominatim.
It was even an outcry in media
CC'ed to wrong list :)
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Do the notability guidelines of Wikimedia allow storing only important places?
because the consequence of using wikidata will be to have wikidata objects not
only for places but also for minor streets and squares as soon as they change
name
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Gorm E. Johnsen osml...@gorm.cc wrote:
but astonishingly I can't find a single instance of these with taginfo
right now (maybe some mass-retagging?).
An example of different names through time:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/9873833
Instances like the one
This notability guideline for geographic features, both current and
historical, will indeed be a cornestone for building upon Wikidata!
It would not include all man-made structures yet, but I hope that would be
the trend.
I hope we can develop tools and technologies to bridge the data between
Susanna Ånäs wrote:
This notability guideline for geographic features, both current and historical,
will indeed be a cornestone for building upon Wikidata!
It would not include all man-made structures yet, but I hope that would be the
trend.
I hope we can develop tools and technologies to
Am 20/mar/2014 um 10:54 schrieb Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
I think there is a consensus
to not map historic features in OSM when they don't exist any more
(the famous on the ground rule). What is the interest of tagging the
3, 5 or 10 previous endonyms when the topology is different today
AIUI, currently, Wikidata can add:
* language-specific labels (ie alternative names)
* language-independent properties (strings or relationships)
Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a
bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that
says
Am 20/mar/2014 um 13:51 schrieb Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk:
Properties can have modifiers such as date, labels can't. So there's a
bit of a challenge here - we would be able to construct a field that
says historic name : Warschau (date:1939-45), but this would be
shown as a
Andrew: I think this is key to making Wikidata suitable for a historical
gazetteer. Andy was referring to changes allowing names/labels with dates.
Will there be such?
Susanna
2014-03-20 15:24 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
Am 20/mar/2014 um 13:51 schrieb Andrew Gray
I'm picking up points from this discussion and adding them to a Trello
board in https://trello.com/b/uXP9JmSP/wikimaps-gazetteer at
https://trello.com/wikimaps. Feel free to participate!
Susanna
2014-03-20 15:30 GMT+02:00 Susanna Ånäs susanna.a...@gmail.com:
Andrew: I think this is key to
I think the problem is that we sometimes need to reflect more than just the
single official name - at the moment we include multilingual names, which
is great, and it's a bit of a backwards step to lose that ability for the
past. Imagine if you're looking at an English or German map of Russia -
It’s great to have such things mapped, but it does need care.
In this field Jochen Topf coded “Multilingual Map Test” together back in 2012.
You might ask him to add Finnish to the languages offered.
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-November/065312.html
Here’s part of
You can enter whatever language codes you want in the Multilingual Map
Test, so for Finnish just enter fi in the text box. (ex:
http://mlm.jochentopf.com/?zoom=7lat=52.57802lon=19.11621layers=B0Tlang=fi
)
To the original question, there is the old_name tag, which is documented on
the name page
If you want to be able to specify more details like during which period the
name was used, maybe it's an option to add it to wikidata.
Polyglot
2014-03-19 22:15 GMT+01:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:
You can enter whatever language codes you want in the Multilingual Map
Test, so
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