"maning sambale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> This is all based on positive thinking, assuming that people are
>> basically well-meaning.
> Agree, most mistakes in my area are not vandalism, but just mistakes.
> I know I made many. Simply informing the mapper the problem is good
> enough. A
"Nic Roets" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> To get back to the issue of a bot running in a specific country : Let's say
> the vast majority of occurrences of Strasse are spelling mistakes and let's
> say there are a few occurrences of Strasse where it is not a spelling
> mistake, like a surname. Sho
>
> This is all based on positive thinking, assuming that people are
> basically well-meaning.
Agree, most mistakes in my area are not vandalism, but just mistakes.
I know I made many. Simply informing the mapper the problem is good
enough. And sometimes that mapper maybe the most prolific.
This
Hi,
Sebastian Spaeth wrote:
> Those who will read and follow the code of conduct are not those who
> will blindly break stuff. Those who don't think through their actions
> and do a 30 line script in python/PHP/... that breaks stuff will break
> things, and they won't read through the code of c
To get back to the issue of a bot running in a specific country : Let's say
the vast majority of occurrences of Strasse are spelling mistakes and let's
say there are a few occurrences of Strasse where it is not a spelling
mistake, like a surname. Should we run the bot ?
--
Spaeth wrote "Those who
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> I am in favour of setting up a code of conduct for automated edits.
Hi Frederik,
while i have full understanding and sympathize with your approach, I am
doubtful about its outcome.
Those who will read and follow the code of conduct are not
Nick Barnes wrote:
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> One example to which I took exception is ... changing "Strasse" in the name
>> to
>> "Straße", which is the correct spelling (but nonetheless "Strasse" is
>> often found on signs).
>
> "Straße" may well be the correct spelling in German speaking coun
Frederik Ramm schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Frederik Ramm wrote:
>> I am in favour of setting up a code of conduct for automated edits.
>
> I have now created
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Automated_Edits
>
> with a sub-page for a "code of conduct". Feel free to modify the text
> until it r
Nice work Frederick,
Thanks for all your efforts on this :-)
Cheers
Andy
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>To: Talk Openstreetmap
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Hi,
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> I am in favour of setting up a code of conduct for automated edits.
I have now created
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Automated_Edits
with a sub-page for a "code of conduct". Feel free to modify the text
until it reflects a stable consensus ;-)
Bye
Frederik
Ulf Lamping skrev:
> P.S: If you would only know how many of such obvious mistakes like
> "aerialway=cinema" I've seen while I was having a detailed look at the
> tagwatch output - and not even mentioning the common typos ...
/reminder to self : Stop tagging inflight movies, while passing over
DavidD schrieb:
> 2008/9/29 Ulf Lamping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> P.S: While I was doing a lot of changes in the past weeks, you were the
>> only one complaining - any other reaction I got was simply positive ...
>
> Here is another complaint from last month.
> http://openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/wa
Le Tuesday 30 September 2008 19:13:13, vous avez écrit :
> Hi,
>
> M. S. wrote:
> > yes it is more then urgent, I noticed today that 2 OSMers have screwed up
> > 100's of my work hours and changed place names and coastlines shapes
> > bringing them back to innacurate/false state
>
> What exactly ha
Hi,
Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
> OSM is providing the framework and execution means for mass changes.
[...]
> To get something done, one has to create a Java class that described the bot.
Security implications galore. Plus, of course, we don't want to enforce
Java. Plus the totally un-OSM concep
Hi,
DavidD wrote:
> I don't think deleting a horse=bridleway tag from a bridleway is
> really helping that much. Probably the tag was entered by mistake but
> why delete it? Is it really causing any harm?
I don't want to comment on the actual case as I have no knowledge about
it, but I think the
Hi,
M. S. wrote:
> yes it is more then urgent, I noticed today that 2 OSMers have screwed up
> 100's of my work hours and changed place names and coastlines shapes bringing
> them back to innacurate/false state
What exactly happened, and are you sure it was the result of an
automated process?
2008/9/29 Ulf Lamping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> P.S: While I was doing a lot of changes in the past weeks, you were the
> only one complaining - any other reaction I got was simply positive ...
Here is another complaint from last month.
http://openstreetmap.org/api/0.5/way/25207084/history
I don't
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 02:58:48PM +, Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
To get something done, one has to create a Java class that described
the bot.
No, please, no!
I have been programming in many different languages (at least one per
family, i.e. iterative, functional, i+OOP, f+OOP) for about 20
El Martes, 30 de Septiembre de 2008, Richard Fairhurst escribió:
> Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
> > Granted, that might limit the development to Java programmers but hey, if
> > you know one iterative language, you can easily learn another.
>
> I can't be the only person on this list spluttering in di
Le Tuesday 30 September 2008 16:58:48 Hendrik T. Voelker, vous avez écrit :
> Guys,
>
> after we now had a longer discussion I guess several things are clear:
>
>We agree that as a first step a code of conduct concerning mass changes
> is a very good idea and maybe Frederik can draft one and ad
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
Guys,
after we now had a longer discussion I guess several things are clear:
We agree that as a first step a code of conduct concerning mass
changes is
a very good idea and maybe Frederik can draft one and add it to the
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Hendrik T. Voelker
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> after we now had a longer discussion I guess several things are clear:
>
> We agree that as a first step a code of conduct concerning mass changes is
> a very good idea and maybe Frederik can draft one and
Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
> Granted, that might limit the development to Java programmers but hey, if you
> know one iterative language, you can easily learn another.
I can't be the only person on this list spluttering in disbelief at
this. Absolutely no way. At all.
Hey, I don't even know wha
Guys,
after we now had a longer discussion I guess several things are clear:
We agree that as a first step a code of conduct concerning mass changes is
a very good idea and maybe Frederik can draft one and add it to the wiki as a
proposal.
Following that most agree that a code of conduct
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Paolo Molaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The first requirement, IMHO, is a better way to communicate with other
> users. I would be in favor of sharing the email address of users
> to make this easier: currently my tool has to parse the web pages
> and submit web f
30, 2008 2:59 PM
Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
Sorry for breaking the email history, I just subscribed to this list.
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Another issue is, *if* something is changed, *how* this is done.
Lacking
>
Sorry for breaking the email history, I just subscribed to this list.
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> Another issue is, *if* something is changed, *how* this is done. Lacking
> 0.6's versioning, if anyone analyzes yesterday's planet file to find
> ways he'd like to fix and uploads changed versions of eac
annot be of help in coding.
I know what it is about, just too old.
Gert Gremmen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Shaun McDonald [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: dinsdag 30 september 2008 0:22
Aan: Gert Gremmen
CC: Frederik Ramm; Talk Openstreetmap
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of co
Hi Gert,
On 29 Sep 2008, at 23:10, Gert Gremmen wrote:
I Just want to implement obliged automated
Administration/recording of activity that we are in desperate need
of now, or will be very soon.
Why don't you spend some time to work on the 0.6 API, which will help
towards some of what you wa
pen" friendly.
I Just want to implement obliged automated
Administration/recording of activity that we are in desperate need
of now, or will be very soon.
Gert Gremmen
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Frederik Ramm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: maandag 29 september 2008 22:59
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) schrieb:
>
> Agreed. I've been the victim of bot changes over the last few months which
> have been wholly inappropriate and they are a pain in the ass to deal with,
Hmmm, maybe you simply not got aware of all the changes to the better
and only got aware of the c
Hi,
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> - Let's start with limiting JOSM and Merkaartor to a reasonable number
> of uploads per manual upload action.
I am against implementing any controlling measures beyond "is the
username/password valid" at this point.
But I'm utterly, totally, completely against any kind
t
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: Frederik Ramm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Verzonden: maandag 29 september 2008 20:24
Aan: Gert Gremmen
CC: Hendrik T. Voelker; Talk Openstreetmap
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
Hi,
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> I want to insist
Frederik Ramm wrote:
>Sent: 29 September 2008 7:22 PM
>To: Hendrik T. Voelker
>Cc: Talk Openstreetmap
>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
>
>Hi,
>
>Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
>> Guys, think about one of the most fundamental design
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Hugh Barnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No, because the user agent is not recorded as part of the edits. Nor is
>> it planned to record it as a property of the changeset in API 0.6.
>
> Right, that's surprising, it's a pretty handy thing. I was about to ask how
>
Hi,
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> I want to insist however, on the
> website form approach, to oblige
> fast-thinking fast-acting "bot writers" to
> express at least what they intend to do somewhere.
> The automated undo system allows for a quick undo,
> before thousands of volunteers added data that wi
Hi,
Hendrik T. Voelker wrote:
> Guys, think about one of the most fundamental design principles for robust
> code: Keep it simple.
[...]
> 1. Require scripts to use an SSL certificate that is signed by OSM for
> authentication
[...]
> 2. As the first step request a Universally Unique Identif
Hi,
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> The usertype should have the username of the uploader
[...]
> The username should be enabled shortly before
[...]
> The form would return by email the username
> to be used
[...]
> The notification script could also create a backup of
> all changes
[...]
> Normal users sh
> From: Frederik Ramm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
> To: Talk Openstreetmap
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
>
> as OpenStre
Nick wrote:
> Seems to me that everybody replying thinks that there ought to
> be some
> sort of framework for mass changes and I'll go along with that
> too.
> I was at the Bradford Mapping Party this weekend
I've just realised the irony of what I've just done. I had a quick
look to spot how
Nick Barnes wrote:
> 'Hamm Strasse' - see link above). One of the guys there commented that
> after he spent some time mapping an area called 'Batley Carr', some
> numbskull thought it would be a good idea to correct all the
> misspellings of 'car' and changed every single reference.
First of all
Seems to me that everybody replying thinks that there ought to be some
sort of framework for mass changes and I'll go along with that too.
However, the OP raised an interesting point...
Frederik Ramm wrote:
> One example to which I took exception is ... changing "Strasse" in the name
> to
> "S
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> I want to insist however, on the
> website form approach, to oblige
> fast-thinking fast-acting "bot writers" to
> express at least what they intend to do somewhere.
Yes, sure. But not for every run of the bot.
And you can add a description to the
One could go as far as s
tember 29, 2008 1:49 PM
Aan: Gert Gremmen
CC: Talk Openstreetmap
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> The serverscript (see below) could create a web page with the
> temporary accountname as a URL, summarizing all the submitted data,
>
Philip Homburg wrote:
> There is not much you can do if someone just rents a botnet and then pollutes
> then database.
Do backups. Regularly.
;)))
Cheers
Hendrik
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In your letter dated Mon, 29 Sep 2008 11:55:16 +0100 you wrote:
>On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Philip Homburg
>> As far as politics go, I think that it would a good idea to just re-use the
>> current structure for introducing new map features. Before you run a script
>> you first propose it and
On Monday 29 September 2008 21:24:29 Shaun McDonald wrote:
> Hugh Barnes wrote:
> > On Monday 29 September 2008 18:37:53 Gert Gremmen wrote:
> >
> > [..]]
> > All worthy ideas.
> >
> > I would probably look at using a custom, temporarily-useful User Agent
> > string in the HTTP request rather than
Gert Gremmen wrote:
> The serverscript (see below) could create a web page with the
> temporary accountname as a URL, summarizing all the submitted data,
> for consulting by anyone finding a questionable dataelement.
Guys, think about one of the most fundamental design principles for robust
cod
Fredrik wrote : "2. Make sure your tools and knowledge are good: You have to
be able to
revert your changes if something goes wrong, and you need to keep any
collateral damage to an absolute minimum. If you cannot guarantee that,
ask someone for help who can."
If a bot writer sees this, he's eithe
Hugh Barnes wrote:
> On Monday 29 September 2008 18:37:53 Gert Gremmen wrote:
>
> [..]]
> All worthy ideas.
>
> I would probably look at using a custom, temporarily-useful User Agent string
> in the HTTP request rather than specific "user" hoodoo, to summarise it
> lazily. Is this a possibilit
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Dave Stubbs wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Philip Homburg
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[]
> Step 1) Write OSM bot
> Step 2) Write OSM Wiki vote rigging bot
> Step 3) Propose bot
> Step 4) Rig vote
> Step 5) Run OSM bot all the while pointing
On Monday 29 September 2008 18:37:53 Gert Gremmen wrote:
> I'd suggest a special usertype for batch operations,
> and combine that with a notification system
> so as to enable that account for one batch.
>
> The usertype should have the username of the uploader
> with a random number attached (fe c
cht-
Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Philip Homburg
Verzonden: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:53 AM
Aan: Talk Openstreetmap
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
In your letter dated Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:08:50 +0200 you wrote:
> as OpenS
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Philip Homburg
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In your letter dated Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:08:50 +0200 you wrote:
>> as OpenStreetMap draws more and more sophisticated users, we're
>> also seeing more scripts or, as they would be called in Wikipedia,
>> "bots", mo
[..Proposal for bots..]
I completly agree.
> 2. Make sure your tools and knowledge are good: You have to be able to
> revert your changes if something goes wrong, and you need to keep any
> collateral damage to an absolute minimum. If you cannot guarantee that,
> ask someone for help who can.
Is
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Philip Homburg
Verzonden: Monday, September 29, 2008 9:53 AM
Aan: Talk Openstreetmap
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
In your letter dated Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:08:50 +0200 you wrote:
> as OpenStreetMap d
In your letter dated Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:08:50 +0200 you wrote:
> as OpenStreetMap draws more and more sophisticated users, we're
> also seeing more scripts or, as they would be called in Wikipedia,
> "bots", modifying data.
>
> 1. Make a plan of what you want to change, and discuss in rel
Hi,
as OpenStreetMap draws more and more sophisticated users, we're also
seeing more scripts or, as they would be called in Wikipedia, "bots",
modifying data.
I'm in a bit of a dilemma here. I have been using such scripts for a
while now (see my "Fixbot" page on the Wiki, or some past "und
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