Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-19 Thread Nic Roets
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Patch #4 ... Patch #5 If the user merges two ways which has different tagging and of which he is not the original editor, ask him Are you sure ? If he does it again, display a popup with This is your second warning ! And

[OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Gert Gremmen
I want to plead for disabling Potlatch. Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads, star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters and worse are 99% caused by potlatch editors. The slowness of Flash on most computers, leads to mouse lagging and positional errors, wanted or

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
Gert Gremmen wrote: Sent: 16 December 2008 10:37 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally. I want to plead for disabling Potlatch. Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads, star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters and worse are 99

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Iván Sánchez Ortega
On Tue, December 16, 2008 11:36, Gert Gremmen wrote: Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads, star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters and worse are 99% caused by potlatch editors. Aaahhh... gratuitous statistics. Got to love those. In order for me to stick to

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Andy, Frederik and Maning have really said all I could ever say. Except that: If you really wanted to help - even if you can't or won't code - you would have submitted some trac tickets with suggestions, as many other people have done. You would have attempted to understand before condemning.

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote: If a tool has serious problems it needs someone pointing at it. point out the problems - dont throw away the tool. AFAIK potlatch is the public face of OSM and

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Johnny Rose Carlsen
Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: I want to plead for disabling Potlatch. Most of the silly edits, things like self crossing roads, star formed roundabouts, forest areas crossing waters and worse are 99% caused by potlatch editors. I would'nt say that Potlatch is all bad, 7% of what

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote: If a tool has serious problems it needs someone pointing at it. point out the problems - dont throw away the tool.

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote: If a tool has serious problems it needs someone pointing at it. point out the problems - dont throw away the tool. AFAIK potlatch is the public face of OSM and the biggest converter of bystanders into mappers. And for me it is a blessing

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote: If a tool has serious problems it needs someone pointing at it. point out the problems - dont throw away the tool. AFAIK potlatch is the public face of OSM and

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Steven Le Roux wrote: Why not prefering to consider other solutions ? Why not downloading josm as a java web start app and give in the link the bbox from the browser ? http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2008-December/001204.html is why. Magically giving JOSM to newbies

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Gert Gremmen
[mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Dave Stubbs Verzonden: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 4:40 PM Aan: Steven Le Roux CC: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally. 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread David Earl
On 16/12/2008 15:58, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Magically giving JOSM to newbies doesn't stop them making mistakes. It just means they make mistakes with JOSM rather than with Potlatch. That is indeed true. However, what makes Potlatch particularly susceptible to people making mistakes is the

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Andy Allan
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: Most of POTLATCH problems are clearly caused by: - not understanding POTLATCH and how it works - Not understanding OSM at all. Most of the Potlatch complaints are clearly caused by: Cheers, Andy

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread D Tucny
2008/12/16 Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl - upload only on request, not after each and every mouse click I think this would be an improvement, especially if you could view a list of changes that would be uploaded prior to upload... Though I'm sure others would feel the opposite... Most of

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Gert Gremmen
...@openstreetmap.org] Namens Richard Fairhurst Verzonden: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:13 PM Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally. D Tucny wrote: I think this would be an improvement, especially if you could view a list of changes that would be uploaded prior

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert Gremmen wrote: If a tool has serious problems it

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. Wikipedia haven't succumbed to the Disable TextArea Finally campaign, despite how easy it is to make mistakes when editing pages. I'm glad I don't have to download a java program in order to fix typos :-P

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Ben Supnik
Hi Y'all, I want to plead for disabling Potlatch. Everyone else has already spoken well regarding potlatch - I would only add that the attractiveness of OSM as a data source for my project comes at least partly from having such a _low_ barrier of entry to improving the data...if a user sees

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Thomas Wood
2008/12/16 Juan Lucas Dominguez Rubio jldoming...@prodevelop.es: Hi, Potlatch is as old as OSM, no? If it was that bad, the Google-OSM comparison presented some days ago would not be possible :-) Lucas It isn't as old as OSM, I believe there was a Java applet before it. When I first

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Dave Stubbs
2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves law...@au-kbc.org wrote: On Tuesday 16 Dec 2008 5:33:18 pm Gert

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Richard Fairhurst
D Tucny wrote: I think this would be an improvement, especially if you could view a list of changes that would be uploaded prior to upload... Yep, see previous message about the only reason that not being an option is that I haven't worked out a UI for it. :) One thing though that I don't

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Steven Le Roux
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: 2008/12/16 Steven Le Roux ste...@le-roux.info: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 1:23 PM, Kenneth

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Peter Miller
On 16 Dec 2008, at 17:21, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. Wikipedia haven't succumbed to the Disable TextArea Finally campaign, despite how easy it is to make mistakes when editing pages. I'm glad I

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread John07
Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason schrieb: On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Absolutely. Wikipedia haven't succumbed to the Disable TextArea Finally campaign, despite how easy it is to make mistakes when editing pages. I'm glad I don't have to download a java

Re: [OSM-talk] Disable Potlatch finally.

2008-12-16 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com wrote: Please excuse the self promotion, but OSM Mapper (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/OSM_Mapper) does currently allow one to monitor for changes to ways in a watched area which you can then monitor using RSS.