Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

The idea wasn't presented properly. The names were supposed to be name:[language abbreviation] not lang:[language abbreviation]. 'lang:official' was supposed to be placed in "area wrappers" but could be misunderstood to mean on every object. The city (or the country) would have lang:official,

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

You could, if you're worried about multiple languages, do it in this way: All names would have lang:[language abbreviation] tag and the value being the name in that language. The official language(s) for each country would be defined by a tag named lang:official and the value being a string of

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On 7 December 2010 14:49, wrote: > Judging from the examples cited in the thread, such as Scotland being > tagged in both English and French, we aren't limited to just names in the > country's official languages. French is not an official language in > Scotland. > Historically, it should have

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Judging from the examples cited in the thread, such as Scotland being tagged in both English and French, we aren't limited to just names in the country's official languages. French is not an official language in Scotland. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Ed Avis wrote: > Patrick Kilian petschge.de> writes: > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruxelles-Brussel.jpg > > > >See two names on the ground. > > To me that would suggest putting the French name into 'name' I suggest you don't, or you'd end up in an edit war otherwise. Linguistic iss

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

A compromise would be that if multiple names exist, then the 'name' tag must match one or more of the language-specific names, joined with a - character. In the common case it would be equal to just one of them, but for places like Brussels where neither language is considered primary, it would be

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Patrick Kilian petschge.de> writes: >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bruxelles-Brussel.jpg > >See two names on the ground. To me that would suggest putting the French name into 'name' (since it is on top) and also tagging 'name:fr' and 'name:nl'. However I can see the argument that exac

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Hi, > Hmm, I didn't realize we did that. I thought that would count as 'tagging > for the renderer' - after all wouldn't Mapnik be capable of finding both names and printing both on the map? Perhaps it could. > Does the 'on the ground rule' not give guidance here? Who says that is doesn't apply?

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Kurt Roeckx roeckx.be> writes: >>Where a choice of languages >>exists for a name, then there should be one that corresponds to the main >>'name' tag. >This will atleast give bogus warnings with places like Brussels that >are bilingual, where name actually contains the name in both languages >(Du

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

2010/12/7 Peter Wendorff > Am 07.12.2010 00:29, schrieb Kurt Roeckx: > > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:00:57AM +, Ed Avis wrote: >> >>> In an attempt to fix this I have asked the maintainer of >>> to add a data check. Where a choice of >>> languages >>> exists for

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Am 07.12.2010 00:29, schrieb Kurt Roeckx: On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:00:57AM +, Ed Avis wrote: In an attempt to fix this I have asked the maintainer of to add a data check. Where a choice of languages exists for a name, then there should be one that corresponds

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 7:32 PM, wrote: > For example, the official language of France is French, but it has 24 > regional languages in the European region of the country, and 51 additional > regional languages in overseas territories, according to < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Fra

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 10:00:57AM +, Ed Avis wrote: > > In an attempt to fix this I have asked the maintainer of > to add a data check. Where a choice of languages > exists for a name, then there should be one that corresponds to the main > 'name' tag. In other w

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

xx tag belongs to won't be trivial. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language >From :mailto:ka...@kairo.at Date :Mon Dec 06 09:50:25 America/Chicago 2010 Frederik Ramm schrieb: > Erik, > > On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: >&

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Frederik Ramm schrieb: Erik, On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: :-) Well does anyone have code to add name as "local language" in postgis, what are the options? Lets not complicate your remark by enumerating all multilingual areas in the world, where names means power The question was a

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On 6 December 2010 13:18, Ed Avis wrote: > Brian Quinion brian.quinion.co.uk> writes: >>This list is entirely of my own construction and probably misses >>quite a few countries default languages.  I welcome any improvements! > > Shouldn't it be tagged as part of the map, rather than a separate fi

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Brian Quinion brian.quinion.co.uk> writes: >This is the approach I've already taken - the next version of >Nominatim has a field country_default_language_code as part of the >country details OK I guess that takes care of it, so we don't need additional per-object tags. >This list is entirely of

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Le 06/12/2010 12:52, Steve Bennett a écrit : On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Ed Avis wrote: We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the 'default' language is. But that seems like the wrong answer, and would give the wrong result in many cases. Seems like t

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On 6 December 2010 11:41, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Erik, > > On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: >> >> :-) Well does anyone have code to add name as "local language" in >> postgis, what are the options? Lets not complicate your remark by >> enumerating all multilingual areas in the world, where

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On 6 Dec 2010, at 10:10, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/06/2010 11:00 AM, Ed Avis wrote: >> Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be >> picked? The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English > > Why? Are there places in Scotland that ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Frederik Ramm remote.org> writes: >>We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the >>'default' language is. > >I guess those don't have to be "added", do they? Is it not implicit that >places in France will by default have the French name in their "name" tag? Yes, but t

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Ed Avis wrote: > We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the > 'default' > language is.  But that seems like the wrong answer, and would give the wrong > result in many cases. Seems like the right answer to me. There are lots of things t

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Erik, On 12/06/10 11:19, Erik Johansson wrote: :-) Well does anyone have code to add name as "local language" in postgis, what are the options? Lets not complicate your remark by enumerating all multilingual areas in the world, where names means power The question was about Nominatim originall

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Hi, On 12/06/10 11:48, Ed Avis wrote: We could add per-country or per-geographical-area rules about what the 'default' language is. I guess those don't have to be "added", do they? Is it not implicit that places in France will by default have the French name in their "name" tag? But that s

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Ed Avis wrote: > Frederik Ramm remote.org> writes: > >>>Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be >>>picked?  The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English >> >>Why? Are there places in Scotland that have a Gaeli

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Le 06/12/2010 11:22, MD a écrit : Hi, Ed Avis wrote: [...] I believe the answer, as so often, is to improve the tagging used so that software has the information it needs. In this case an explicit English- language name should be added, so we have name=Scotland name:en=Scotland

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Frederik Ramm remote.org> writes: >>Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be >>picked? The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English > >Why? Are there places in Scotland that have a Gaelic name in the "name" >tag? There may be, but in the ab

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Hi, Ed Avis wrote: [...] > I believe the answer, as so often, is to improve the tagging used so that > software has the information it needs. In this case an explicit English- > language name should be added, so we have > > name=Scotland > name:en=Scotland > name:fr=Ecosse > name

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 12/06/2010 11:00 AM, Ed Avis wrote: >> >> Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should >> be >> picked?  The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English > > Why? Are there places in Scotl

Re: [OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

Hi, On 12/06/2010 11:00 AM, Ed Avis wrote: Given that, and the user's preferred languages [en, fr], what name should be picked? The program cannot know that the name 'Scotland' is in English Why? Are there places in Scotland that have a Gaelic name in the "name" tag? Bye Frederik

[OSM-talk] Explicit tagging of name language

This message explains a problem that user interfaces such as Nominatim have when choosing the correct localized 'name' tag to show to the user, why I believe this is caused by incomplete tagging, and a proposal to fix it. I was surprised when searching on the OSM home page to find Edinburgh was n