Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-19 Thread Andy Allan
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote: >>You can't crowdsource a timetable. You can't crowdsource the future >>without objective evidence. > >>You can, however, crowdsource what has happened in the past, and use >>it to make list of when the trains usually used to run. But I have >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-19 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>You can't crowdsource a timetable. You can't crowdsource the future >without objective evidence. >You can, however, crowdsource what has happened in the past, and use >it to make list of when the trains usually used to run. But I have >absolutely no interest in an application that says "trains us

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-19 Thread Simon Ward
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 04:29:29PM +, Andy Allan wrote: > be running, which is in the future and the timetable changed this > week[1]. […] > [1] hypothetically, but actually did quite recently for the UK rail > network, which is a useful illustration. If you’re lucky they’ll give you advance

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Joe Hughes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:04 AM, Peter Miller wrote: > I was wondering however, if any of the authorities in gtfs-data- > exchange would mind their data about the positioning of bus stops to > be imported into OSM. Might be worth asking them at some point. The > current bus stop positions are some

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Andy Allan
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Nick Whitelegg wrote: >>I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit >>authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for >>various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in >>people collecting their ow

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Peter Miller
On 18 Dec 2008, at 13:46, Nick Whitelegg wrote: >> I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit >> authorities will always give you the data because they often won't >> for >> various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in >> people collecting their

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Nick Whitelegg
>I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit >authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for >various reasons. There is not however a problem as far as I know in >people collecting their own timetable information from printed >material and enter

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Simon Ward
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 03:02:17PM +, Peter Miller wrote: > Personally I also think it would be good to provide a way for people > to enter old timetables. I have a bradshaws 1921 railway timetable and > there is also a reprint for 1910. I am sure some people would love to > enter it into

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-18 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Soundy overly complex compared to just using pdftotext and then > parsing the resulting ASCII text, unless of course there's OCR > involved which would rule out this approach. Doesn't preserve the layout, in particular the columns, well enough. The UK rail timetable PDF i

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Not that I'm planning to screenscrape the PDF timetable or anything. Though > I imagine that, if I were, I'd use CAM::PDF to read the file, write my own > PDF renderer, then parse the columns and put the result in a MySQL database. > Purely hypothetically. Soundy ov

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-17 Thread Joe Hughes
On 17 Dec 2008, at 7:05, Peter Miller wrote: >> I wonder if there is scope for an OpenTimetable.org system or similar, >> which is an integrated - and open - bus/train timetable database. >> Transport companies could be invited to supply data to this, and >> then it >> could be made available to an

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Not that I'm planning to screenscrape the PDF timetable or anything. Though > I imagine that, if I were, I'd use CAM::PDF to read the file, write my own > PDF renderer, then parse the columns and put the result in a MySQL database. > Purely hypothetically. Would you happen to have a hypothetical

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-17 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Peter Miller wrote: > I think that would be an excellent idea, however don't assume transit > authorities will always give you the data because they often won't for > various reasons. One of the wonderful things about ODbL is the concept of a collective work as applied to separate databases.

Re: [OSM-talk] Is anyone making public transport routing maps basedon OpenStreetMap data?

2008-12-17 Thread Peter Miller
On 17 Dec 2008, at 14:22, Nick Whitelegg wrote: >> I'm interested in completely mapping my city bus network, it would be >> great if there was some online routing application that I could go to >> that could plan my routes. Of course I'd have to provide it with >> sufficient survey information to