Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-06 Thread Dirk-Lüder Kreie
Steve Hill schrieb: I don't think areas, such as landuse, natural, etc. should be considered as something physically laid on top of the land - they merely describe the use of the land within them and thus should not obscure other objects any more than the land itself should. If the land itse

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-06 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, spaetz wrote: > Why should it work differently? If I want a tunnel under a forest, a > layer=-1 *should* draw the tunnel under the forest. It isn't in a tunnel though - if it was, it would have tunnel=yes. layer=-1 is often used for waterways for a couple of reasons: 1. It

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-06 Thread Robert Vollmert
On Jun 6, 2008, at 09:09, spaetz wrote: > But if you tag a river universally over quite a bit with layer=-1 > just for the fun of it, as was in the original example, then this > looks weird. And osmarender is right to make it look weird, isn't it? I think this can be correct, if say a river r

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-06 Thread spaetz
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 08:14:02PM +0100, Jon Burgess wrote: > On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 19:49 +0200, spaetz wrote: > > Why should it work differently? If I want a tunnel under a forest, a > > layer=-1 *should* draw the tunnel under the forest. Why do you think > > it's doing something wrongly? > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread Jon Burgess
On Thu, 2008-06-05 at 19:49 +0200, spaetz wrote: > > > osmarender rules pay attention to the layer tag even when dealing with > > > areas. In this case the river is on layer=-1, and the industrial area > > > has no layer tag (so defaults to 0). osmarender is rendering all -1 > > > objects first, th

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread spaetz
> > osmarender rules pay attention to the layer tag even when dealing with > > areas. In this case the river is on layer=-1, and the industrial area > > has no layer tag (so defaults to 0). osmarender is rendering all -1 > > objects first, then moves on to the layer 0 objects. > > This seems wrong

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread spaetz
On Thu, Jun 05, 2008 at 12:10:23PM +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > As a side note, I noticed that whilst Mapnik appears to be quite good at > rendering areas (e.g. industrial landuse) under the ways, Osmarender > doesn't seem smart enough and areas sometimes obscure ways. For example, > the river is

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Layer tags on areas are pure evil. The layer tag is there to indicate >> vertical separation, not to give a handy z-order hint to the rendere

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Dave Stubbs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Layer tags on areas are pure evil. The layer tag is there to indicate > vertical separation, not to give a handy z-order hint to the renderer. > So unless you do genuinely have two areas which are physically > suspended one on

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread Steve Hill
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008, Dave Stubbs wrote: > If the 2nd area is meant to replace the 1st rather than just say > something extra about the land/water then you should probably make a > hole. Hmm.. ok. Looks like I need to investigate the multipolygon relations stuff. > osmarender rules pay attention

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:28 PM, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 2008-06-05, Steve Hill wrote: >> Can areas be nested? > > Yes, mapped one recently > >> To a human, it is fairly obvious that a small areas which is completely >> enclosed within a larger area should take pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread Dave Stubbs
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Can areas be nested? i.e. if there is a large amount of farmland with a > wooded area in the middle, can you just draw a large area for the farmland > and a smaller area within it for the wooded land, or do you have to make

Re: [OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
On 2008-06-05, Steve Hill wrote: > Can areas be nested? Yes, mapped one recently > To a human, it is fairly obvious that a small areas which is completely > enclosed within a larger area should take presidence, but are the > renderers expected to understand this? I had to add a layer tag to get

[OSM-talk] Nested areas

2008-06-05 Thread Steve Hill
Can areas be nested? i.e. if there is a large amount of farmland with a wooded area in the middle, can you just draw a large area for the farmland and a smaller area within it for the wooded land, or do you have to make sure the areas don't overlap (e.g. by leaving a hole in the middle of the