Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-10-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
There is still one small problem with the redesign that maybe could be addressed: coordinates when sharing, e.g. from clicking on node coordinates in the history. When you check the edits of new users by looking at their changesets, sometimes you'll see nodes moved or deleted and want to check

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Lester Caine
Kai Krueger wrote: I am not a fan of just changing things to make them prettier without adding functionality, or even less of the website hasn't changed in X years, we need to change things to make it modern either, but having multiple versions beyond what we already have is just likely not

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Tom MacWright
I don't have to live with someone else's preferences. On the internet, you have been. For years now, every single day. Everybody is off making a better 'widget' for their pet project and nobody is looking at the problem as a whole? You mean in OSM? Look at how much push-back we get on

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Lester Caine
Tom MacWright wrote: I don't have to live with someone else's preferences. On the internet, you have been. For years now, every single day. No - If I don't like something I don't use it ... that includes Google! Everybody is off making a better 'widget' for their pet project and nobody

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 22/lug/2013, at 14:41, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: You mean in OSM? Look at how much push-back we get on something like Map-UI - tens of angry comments about how X changed. Now imagine a much larger redesign. was that really so much? In my perception it was very few (if

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Tom MacWright
was that really so much? In my perception it was very few (if any, less than 3) who were generally against it, the rest were kind of bug reports, unfortunately not always setting the right tone. 52 messages in the 'Upgraded map controls' thread, 13 in this one, 12 in the one split off of this

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Lester Caine
Tom MacWright wrote: 52 messages in the 'Upgraded map controls' thread, 13 in this one, 12 in the one split off of this one, 39 comments on the pull request. Around 116 messages in total, though that's only the English count and I'm sure that there's something on talk-de. Tom will you PLEASE

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Pierre Béland
@openstreetmap.org Envoyéle : Lundi 22 juillet 2013 9h27 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ... On 22/lug/2013, at 14:41, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote: You mean in OSM? Look at how much push-back we get on something like Map-UI - tens of angry comments about how X changed. Now imagine a much

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-22 Thread Alex Barth
With the arrival of a 'new' set of controls, and the discussion on front page, I feel that it IS necessary to open this discussion a little wider. Having been using the new interface on mobile devices I find it much less usable than the older set-up. But that is not to say that the old one was

[OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Lester Caine
With the arrival of a 'new' set of controls, and the discussion on front page, I feel that it IS necessary to open this discussion a little wider. Having been using the new interface on mobile devices I find it much less usable than the older set-up. But that is not to say that the old one was

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Tom MacWright
Hey Lester, I agree entirely - thus far we aren't focusing on the mobile version of the site. It's never been very polished, and recent changes aren't focused on improving it significantly. As far as why, it's pretty simple - changes to the site are extremely time-intensive because of its myriad

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Lester Caine
Tom MacWright wrote: Hey Lester, I agree entirely - thus far we aren't focusing on the mobile version of the site. It's never been very polished, and recent changes aren't focused on improving it significantly. As far as why, it's pretty simple - changes to the site are extremely

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Tom MacWright
Hi Lester, The most productive way to lead to better routing on OSM is to find 'bad' routes, generate permalinks on OSRM or your favorite tool, and post bug reports, including what the desired route would be and what's incorrect about the incorrect route. For OSRM in particular the bug tracker is

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread lester
...@macwright.org To: Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk Cc: openstreetmap talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 17:19 Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ... Hi Lester, The most productive way to lead to better routing on OSM is to find 'bad' routes, generate permalinks on OSRM or your favorite tool

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Kai Krueger
lsces wrote With the arrival of a 'new' set of controls, and the discussion on front page, I feel that it IS necessary to open this discussion a little wider. Having been using the new interface on mobile devices I find it much less usable than the older set-up. But that is not to say

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Tom MacWright
For what it's worth, for those who want to use the Notes facility of OSM remotely, I've worked on a predictably open source https://github.com/osmlab/osm-note boringly named project called OSM Note, that you can open on your phone like so http://osmlab.github.io/osm-note/and place notes, log in,

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Kai Krueger
lsces wrote The problem is more fundamental than just bad routes, but I suspect Locus is part of the problem as all 4 routers have the same problem. Routing instructions through any junction with link_xxx gives a 'straight on' rather than advising to take the slip road. None of the posts to

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ... Routing instructions

2013-07-21 Thread Lester Caine
Kai Krueger wrote: lsces wrote The problem is more fundamental than just bad routes, but I suspect Locus is part of the problem as all 4 routers have the same problem. Routing instructions through any junction with link_xxx gives a 'straight on' rather than advising to take the slip road. None

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Lester Caine
Kai Krueger wrote: One question would therefore be, what functionality of osm.org would you hope to actually be able to use on a mobile phone? Browsing the map to see if an alternate route might be better. Not knowing where one is scale wise, the old scale bar provides an easy and quick to

Re: [OSM-talk] New technology ...

2013-07-21 Thread Kai Krueger
lsces wrote Kai Krueger wrote: One question would therefore be, what functionality of osm.org would you hope to actually be able to use on a mobile phone? Browsing the map to see if an alternate route might be better. Not knowing where one is scale wise, the old scale bar provides an easy