Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-17 Thread Hans De Kryger
It's been 10 days and i haven't received a response from this user (1) What should be done? (1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/2bre99 *Regards,* *Hans* *http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/TheDutchMan13 * On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:07 AM, Paul Jo

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-09 Thread Bryce Cogswell
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 4:07 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: > In this case, though, Microsoft was actually directly copying Google's search > results, and directly admitted to it. > http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914 > > That situation is actually closer

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Simon Poole wrote: > > But the idea that facts indexed by Google could be tainted is a > > stretch. It's not something they've tried to claim, it would be a > > tenuous legal argument, and it doesn't make much sense. I think this > > is a case where practical judg

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-08 Thread Robert Norris
> > On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 17:33 +0100, Simon Poole wrote: >> Ahemm that was the whole point: is it about completing information >> (the >> website URL) in OSM by systematically (as in going through "all >> schools" >> in the UK) querying google and not about retrieving information from >> the >> w

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-08 Thread Markus Lindholm
On Fri, 2016-01-08 at 17:33 +0100, Simon Poole wrote: > Ahemm that was the whole point: is it about completing  information > (the > website URL) in OSM by systematically (as in going through "all > schools" > in the UK) querying google and not about retrieving information from > the > website retu

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-08 Thread Simon Poole
Am 08.01.2016 um 17:08 schrieb Tom Lee: > Google indexing a site, and your use of that index to find the site, > does not taint the interaction between you and that site. If I > trespass on private property on my way to buy groceries, the property > owner might have a claim against me. But it is

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-08 Thread Tom Lee
Google indexing a site, and your use of that index to find the site, does not taint the interaction between you and that site. If I trespass on private property on my way to buy groceries, the property owner might have a claim against me. But it is unlikely that they have any claim on my newly-purc

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 08.01.2016 um 12:55 schrieb Robin Paulson : > > also, they have bigger and better lawyers than everyone else, which is > probably the most important thing when deciding who is right and wrong. Facebook also have good lawyers (I guess), still they have lost against an

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 08.01.2016 um 12:55 schrieb Robin Paulson : > > isn't there a "right to be forgotten" directive in eu now, which allows a > person/institution to be removed from searches in the eu? so, opt out, not > opt in. the database directive is opt in, not opt out. cheers Mar

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-08 Thread Robin Paulson
On 2016-01-08 06:46, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: You could even see it the other way round: any website is a kind of database (structured information). Has google a right to copy this, or index it (i.e. create a derivative database)? maybe, maybe not. they could argue that most web sites want to

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Warin
On 8/01/2016 6:15 AM, Dave F. wrote: On 07/01/2016 14:51, Simon Poole wrote: In any case enough question marks to make a blanket "perfectly legitimately" a bit iffy. Interesting. So it's question marks & not Chinese whispers & scaremongering? I'd genuinely like to see where either Google or

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Dave F.
On 07/01/2016 14:51, Simon Poole wrote: In any case enough question marks to make a blanket "perfectly legitimately" a bit iffy. Interesting. So it's question marks & not Chinese whispers & scaremongering? I'd genuinely like to see where either Google or OSM say this isn't permissible. If

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Simon Poole
Am 07.01.2016 um 15:29 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > On Thursday 07 January 2016, Simon Poole wrote: >>> I use Google almost every time I add to the database. For example >>> in Great Britain there's currently a project to map & update all >>> schools in the country. To find their website addresse

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Andy Townsend
On 07/01/2016 11:00, Nicolás Alvarez wrote: El 7 ene 2016, a las 07:47, Hans De Kryger > escribió: So i just came across an edit of a user near me that listed the source of his edit as (Google Maps Street View) (1) This is obviously wrong. Google Street Vie

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Dave F.
On 07/01/2016 13:10, Simon Poole wrote: Am 07.01.2016 um 12:04 schrieb Dave F.: It needs clarifying that it's using Google maps/Streetview that's unauthorized. I use Google almost every time I add to the database. For example in Great Britain there's currently a project to map & update all

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Simon Poole
Am 07.01.2016 um 12:04 schrieb Dave F.: > It needs clarifying that it's using Google maps/Streetview that's > unauthorized. > > I use Google almost every time I add to the database. For example in > Great Britain there's currently a project to map & update all schools > in the country. To find th

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
Fun to see that someone working at Google is using his (Googles?) knowledge to add information to OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/99815562 Marc.___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://list

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Simon Poole
Oh, no.. not again. Please have a look at previous threads with similar topics. The majority of the google source tags reflect permitted use after the Earthquake in 2010. Further as has already been said the use of StreetView is not allowed. Simon Am 07.01.2016 um 11:47 schrieb Hans De Kryger:

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Marc Gemis
What about changeset comments with "google" in it ? On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 11:47 AM, Hans De Kryger wrote: > So i just came across an edit of a user near me that listed the source of > his edit as (Google Maps Street View) (1) > > I have just contacted the user asking for more information about h

Re: [OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Nicolás Alvarez
> El 7 ene 2016, a las 07:47, Hans De Kryger > escribió: > > So i just came across an edit of a user near me that listed the source of his > edit as (Google Maps Street View) (1) This is obviously wrong. Google Street View is not an allowed data source. > I have just contacted the user askin

[OSM-talk] Not sure what to think

2016-01-07 Thread Hans De Kryger
So i just came across an edit of a user near me that listed the source of his edit as (Google Maps Street View) (1) I have just contacted the user asking for more information about his edit and let him know of the the policy of OpenStreetMap not to copy from other maps. So i thought i would searc