Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps - Update

2010-12-18 Thread andrzej zaborowski
Hi Ed, On 17 December 2010 13:43, Ed Parsons wrote: > Last month back Steve Coast contacted us to let us know that he had > identified what may have been OpenStreetMap data in Google Maps of Colombia. >  We raised this issue with our provider for Colombia, and they agreed to > remove the disputed

[OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps - Update

2010-12-17 Thread Ed Parsons
Last month back Steve Coast contacted us to let us know that he had identified what may have been OpenStreetMap data in Google Maps of Colombia. We raised this issue with our provider for Colombia, and they agreed to remove the disputed data from their data set while they continue to discuss the m

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-18 Thread ouɐɯnH
Dear Ed an all .. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Ed Parsons wrote: > Last week Steve Coast contacted us to let us know that he had identified > what may have been OpenStreetMap data in Google Maps of Colombia.  We > investigated the matter and determined that one of our providers had indeed > i

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-17 Thread Julio Costa Zambelli
Fredy, I think they will not tell you who sold them the OSM data. The same thing happened with Waze when I asked about their provider for the Chilean OSM Data. They told us that LocationWorld sold them the data (at least the first time) and that a provider of that company was the one to be blamed

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-03 Thread Ed Avis
Ed Parsons google.com> writes: >Although we feel unable to license OSM data at present, we remain supporters >of the project, and we will without question act in a similar way if the >rights of the OSM community and your data is abused. From Google's point of view what would be needed so that yo

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-03 Thread Jim Brown
I strongly agree... Most errors are honest mistakes and we should always start with the presumption of innocence. Jim Brown (Sent from my iPhone) On 3 Nov 2010, at 09:35, "Jukka Rahkonen" wrote: > Martijn van Exel rtijn.org> writes: > >> >> >> Ed - Big thumbs up for the quick response to

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-03 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Martijn van Exel rtijn.org> writes: > > > Ed - Big thumbs up for the quick response to this. Makes one wonder though - > how much OSM data lives in Google Maps without us / you knowing about it, and > what measures can you take / are in place to prevent and detect this? I am pretty sure that

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Toby Murray
Let's keep license change discussions to legal-talk. I suspect that whoever is doing this either just found "free" data and chose not to read the fine print or just didn't care once they had the data. Which license we are currently using probably wasn't even considered so it doesn't matter to this

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 8:01 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/11/3 Anthony : >> Why?  According to the very organization distributing the data, the >> license doesn't apply. > > Well, isn't it more "it might not apply"? Maybe we won't win a case > but maybe we would actually. I think "quite l

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/3 Anthony : > Why?  According to the very organization distributing the data, the > license doesn't apply. Well, isn't it more "it might not apply"? Maybe we won't win a case but maybe we would actually. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list ta

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Toby Murray wrote: > On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:04 PM, john whelan wrote: >> Does it matter? > > Does it matter that there is some company out there that is making > lots of money selling map data while violating our (very generous) > licensing terms? Yes... Yes I th

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 2 November 2010 22:14, Richard Mann wrote: > As far as I am concerned anyone is free to use the data I've put into > OSM, as long as they let me have access to a reasonable amount of > stuff in return. Share and share alike. > > I'd rather they'd kept the data, and offered to allow some to be >

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Richard Mann
As far as I am concerned anyone is free to use the data I've put into OSM, as long as they let me have access to a reasonable amount of stuff in return. Share and share alike. I'd rather they'd kept the data, and offered to allow some to be available in exchange. Richard On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:04 PM, john whelan wrote: > Does it matter? Does it matter that there is some company out there that is making lots of money selling map data while violating our (very generous) licensing terms? Yes... Yes I think it does matter. Toby ___

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Körner
Am 02.11.2010 22:58, schrieb Toby Murray: Hmm this isn't the first time that OSM data has found its way into some 3rd party platform via some unnamed "provider." Do google, etc not ask any questions about the data source from these providers? Or are the provider(s) lying about it? There's a d

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread john whelan
Does it matter? Cheerio John On 2 November 2010 17:58, Toby Murray wrote: > Hmm this isn't the first time that OSM data has found its way into > some 3rd party platform via some unnamed "provider." Do google, etc > not ask any questions about the data source from these providers? Or > are the p

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Toby Murray
Hmm this isn't the first time that OSM data has found its way into some 3rd party platform via some unnamed "provider." Do google, etc not ask any questions about the data source from these providers? Or are the provider(s) lying about it? Toby ___ talk

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Körner
Am 02.11.2010 09:41, schrieb Ed Parsons: once we learned this we removed the data as quickly as possible. I think this is the essence of not being evil :) Although we feel unable to license OSM data at present Would this change with a switch ODbL? Peter _

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ed - Big thumbs up for the quick response to this. Makes one wonder though - how much OSM data lives in Google Maps without us / you knowing about it, and what measures can you take / are in place to prevent and detect this? Martijn Martijn van Exel +++ m...@rtijn.org Laziness – Impatience – Hu

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread pavithran
On 2 November 2010 14:11, Ed Parsons wrote: > Although we feel unable to license OSM data at > present, we remain supporters of the project, and we will without question > act in a similar way if the rights of the OSM community and your data is > abused. Thats cool . Glad to hear from you ed . y

[OSM-talk] OSM data and Google Maps

2010-11-02 Thread Ed Parsons
Last week Steve Coast contacted us to let us know that he had identified what may have been OpenStreetMap data in Google Maps of Colombia. We investigated the matter and determined that one of our providers had indeed included OSM data in the data-set they provided to us, once we learned this we r