Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-15 Thread Christopher Jones
Hi Tom, On 14 Dec 2020, at 18:45, Tom Hughes via talk wrote: > Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated > to deploy than what we have. It's been packaged in ubuntu since bionic (as mailman3), It certainly has more moving parts though. — Chris Jones __

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread ipswichmapper--- via talk
Thanks, for the links. Very insightful diiscussion at Github, however the forum link isn't working. -- 14 Dec 2020, 19:48 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > > > > Dec 14, 2020, 20:23 by j...@liotier.org: > >> On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, >> ipswichmap...@tutanota.com>> wrote: >> >>> > A bigger problem is

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:51 PM ipswichmapper--- via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > You are right. If updating to mailman 3 will take monrhs of work it is > probably not worth trying to make any changes right now. > Recurring OpenStreetMap theme: If fixing something takes absolutely any

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via talk
Dec 14, 2020, 20:23 by j...@liotier.org: > On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, > ipswichmap...@tutanota.com> wrote: > >> > A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners ishorrid. >> >> Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose? >> > > From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread ipswichmapper--- via talk
You are right. If updating to mailman 3 will take monrhs of work it is probably not worth trying to make any changes right now. I was wondering, however, what changes to the mailing list the team are considering doing in the future, as Tom said they are looking into things. Thanks, IpswichMapper

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 12/14/20 8:13 PM, ipswichmap...@tutanota.com wrote: > A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid. Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose? From Tom's answer, you might gather that there are higher priorities that absorb administrative resources - so unless you can offe

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread ipswichmapper--- via talk
> A bigger problem is that the UI for list owners is horrid. Ok. What alternative solutions do you propose?-- 14 Dec 2020, 19:07 by t...@compton.nu: > That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data > and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing > and configuring all the

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread Tom Hughes via talk
That's just the instructions on how to migrate the data and it doesn't cover anything related to actually installing and configuring all the components of mailman 3 from a quick look which is a big issue given that it's not packaged and it's a not a single tool like mailman 2 but rather is a colle

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread ipswichmapper--- via talk
Python's mailing lists use mailman 3: https://www.python.org/community/lists/ What is the problem with the UI ? It seems far, far more useable than pipermail and hyperkitty feels like a forum. If upgrading isn't possible, well then I guess bad luck. The mailman focs doesn't make it look that h

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread Tom Hughes via talk
It's not going to happen. Virtually nobody uses mailman 3 with the exception of Fedora and I know from using it there that the UI is a disaster. Also it's not packaged for Ubuntu and it's far more complicated to deploy than what we have. Don't think of mailman 3 as an upgrade - it's basically a

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread ipswichmapper--- via talk
Okay thanks, I'll contact him on github. I don't havd mailman administration experience, or that much coding experience for that matter. I was just suprised that we are stuck with 10+ years old cluttered pipermail when hyperkitty is actually useable. -- 14 Dec 2020, 18:37 by j...@liotier.or

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
From looking at the Mailman Chef cookbook at https://github.com/openstreetmap/chef/tree/master/cookbooks/mailman, Tom Hughes is the person you should ask. If you have mailman administration experience, maybe you could make it happen. On 12/14/20 7:18 PM, ipswichmapper--- via talk wrote: I w

[OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread ipswichmapper--- via talk
Hello, I was wondering if all the lists on https://lists.openstreetmap.org could be switched to Mailman 3 and hyperkitty (the newest archiver). Currently, pipermail is used to archive, and its UI is unusable. Comparatevely, hyperkitty is a lot more like a forum. >From my experience, the mailin