Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-20 Thread Christian Wagner
Andreas Labres wrote: Continuing dispute between the two groups I was suggesting that a state of peaceful co-existence can be achieved - Our editors will not alter or remove tags that are not ours, and hopefully this will be reciprocated. Which means- from a mappers perspective- to

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-20 Thread Mario Salvini
2010/8/20 Christian Wagner wagnerschrist...@gmail.com .. Unfortunately I want both- OSeaM cannot show most of my safewater buoys, doesn't render white light beacons etc- for sure nobody is perfect, so no offence. FT has some other drawbacks (e.g. no proper Garmin maps). Recommending to

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-20 Thread Christian Wagner
Hi Christian, the problem for a Garmin-Map at the moment is the limited value of possible Icons in the Garmins (around about 30-60 icons only). But FT, vor example has over 300 different icons, raising tendency ;) Regards Mario Well, so far I think it would be enough to render the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-20 Thread Christian Wagner
So it would appear that we actually have * one official proposal, currently under discussion (also used by FT) * one private scheme, with private tags (exclusively used by OSeaM) Now, the thing is I'm not really sure about this assessment. What I wrote above is my current

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-19 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Wednesday 18 August 2010 12:41:55 you wrote: Hi Bernhard, thanks for your reply. This message has become longer than I initially expected, as I added some general thoughts of mine. Please do feel free to ignore those and concentrate on open questions. :) Hi Arne, I'll answer your mail

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Tuesday 17 August 2010 23:54:55 you wrote: Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: For a long time now I am interested in tagging seamarks.(short version) Same here. I always knew that there wasn't anything near to consensus about much of anything on that front though, with a lot of bad blood

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
On Tuesday 17 August 2010 21:40:55 Malcolm Herring wrote: Andreas Labres wrote: Continuing dispute between the two groups I was suggesting that a state of peaceful co-existence can be achieved - Our editors will not alter or remove tags that are not ours, and hopefully this will be

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Arne Johannessen
Hi Bernhard, thanks for your reply. This message has become longer than I initially expected, as I added some general thoughts of mine. Please do feel free to ignore those and concentrate on open questions. :) Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: [...] Also FT puts just an overlay on top of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Malcolm Herring
I found a wonderful motto at the top of the user page of one of the OSM system administrators, TomH: I don't give a flying monkey's for tag voting, automatic changebots, endless discussions, categories, or any of that crap, but prefer to get on and actually do stuff. This echoes my

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread David Fawcett
I know that OSM is the place that 'You too can be an Anarchist' (just like everyone else...) ,but after watching discussions on roads, sea marks, addresses, etc. I feel like the OSM community is missing opportunities to leverage individual data contributions when they can't all be tied together in

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-18 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: I don't give a flying monkey's for tag voting, automatic changebots, endless discussions, categories, or any of that crap, but prefer to get on and actually do stuff. This echoes my sentiments exactly!

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Malcolm Herring
The data models specified in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lights_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buoy_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beacon_Data_Model (more will follow as we progress) are all part of the OpenSeaMap project. They define a namespace with tags

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Andreas Labres
On 17.08.10 11:42, Malcolm Herring wrote: Since these tags relate to nodes not used by OpenStreetMap, we (i.e. the OSM community as a whole) do not have to decide on one scheme or another since it has no impact on the map. -1. Continuing dispute between the two groups (accompanied by

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Malcolm Herring wrote: The data models specified in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Lights_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Buoy_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Beacon_Data_Model (more will follow as we progress) are all part of the OpenSeaMap project. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Aun Johnsen
I have tagged 4 buoys in Rio de Janeiro (Brazil) according to the two tagging schemes, if you take a look at this changeset you can see that all the necessary information is repeated several times, just a consequence of two similar-but-different tagging schemes for the same thing. Actually for me

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Malcolm Herring
Andreas Labres wrote: Continuing dispute between the two groups I was suggesting that a state of peaceful co-existence can be achieved - Our editors will not alter or remove tags that are not ours, and hopefully this will be reciprocated. and become productive (get nice renderers, get

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Arne Johannessen
Malcolm Herring wrote: Andreas Labres wrote: Continuing dispute between the two groups I was suggesting that a state of peaceful co-existence can be achieved - Our editors will not alter or remove tags that are not ours, and hopefully this will be reciprocated. Not realistic IMHO. At

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-17 Thread Arne Johannessen
Bernhard R. Fischer wrote: For a long time now I am interested in tagging seamarks.(short version) Same here. I always knew that there wasn't anything near to consensus about much of anything on that front though, with a lot of bad blood in the German OSM community, which is one of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-16 Thread Aun Johnsen
Hi, As a professional master mariner I see the problem here, and I fully agree with you. I think the first step in a process to merge the two tagging schemes is to fully document them both. I have been active in the discussion one of them, while the other have been closed to a small circle, and

[OSM-talk] Tagging Seamarks

2010-08-15 Thread Bernhard R. Fischer
Hi! For a long time now I am interested in tagging seamarks.(short version) Now I found out that there are two comparable but different and competing tagging schemes: * http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/marine-tagging *