Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
How do I use and tag private roads? I don't really bother. If a road is open for travel I don't care much if it's private. If a road has a gate, then, um, at least in most cases it's off limits. The gate is a better signal for routing compared to private/public. There are too may private roads

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 07/set/2014, alle ore 09:11, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com ha scritto: How do I use and tag private roads? I don't really bother. If a road is open for travel I don't care much if it's private. If a road has a gate, then, um, at least in most cases it's off limits.

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 7 September 2014 11:45, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Generally we don't tag ownership but only access rights What about operator= ? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-07 Thread Lists
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-06 Thread Russ Nelson
Paul Johnson writes: On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of pack horses and long distance footpaths. I don't think you have the equivalent in North America. Let me

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-09-03 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 8:47 PM, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of pack horses and long distance footpaths. I don't think you have the equivalent in North America. Let me introduce you to the four westernmost

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-10 Thread Rob Nickerson
Hi Matthijs, Spotted the following sign related to your tagging of private roads discussion the other day. Enjoy :-) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6J5ZA1hu93beGxtSTVGeUR2aFRqQzdaYXNGR0d6WlBhQXFr/edit?usp=sharing Rob ___ talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-10 Thread Matthijs Melissen
access=yes, skateboard=no, bicycle=careful? :) -- Matthijs On 10 August 2014 16:33, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Matthijs, Spotted the following sign related to your tagging of private roads discussion the other day. Enjoy :-)

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-04 Thread Pierre Riteau
These are generally called permissive paths. On Mon, 4 Aug 2014, at 02:55 AM, john whelan wrote: Whilst I think of it there are some footpaths and roads in the UK which are open to the public on 364 days a year but closed one day a year to prevent them from becoming a public right of way.

[OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such as: - 'Private road' - 'Private road no parking' - 'Private road no parking no turning' - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning' How do people tag these roads? For which of these would you use access=private?

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads (Matthijs Melissen)

2014-08-03 Thread Volker Schmidt
Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such as: - 'Private road' - 'Private road no parking' - 'Private road no parking no turning' - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning' How do people tag these roads? For which of these would you use

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 3 August 2014 11:18, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such as: - 'Private road' - 'Private road no parking' - 'Private road no parking no turning' - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning' How do

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
It depends whether a right of way exists. Things are rather complicated in the UK. Private means private, so no entry by default. If you are visiting an address on a private road, you have presumably been invited, explicitly or implicitly. An unofficial sign residents only might not have any

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads (Matthijs Melissen)

2014-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 03/ago/2014, alle ore 12:18, Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com ha scritto: I would tag them all with access=destination, unless there are additional signs that forbid entering. A private road is privately owned and maintained, but you normally may use it to reach the

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Craig Wallace
On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem to have 'private road' signs, such as: - 'Private road' - 'Private road no parking' - 'Private road no parking no turning' - 'Residents only no unauthorised parking or turning' How do people tag these roads?

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. --colin On 2014-08-03 16:44, Colin Smale wrote: On 2014-08-03 16:24, Craig Wallace wrote: On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/08/14 15:49, Colin Smale wrote: As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. The only things I would say you can commonly assume from such signs are that the road is unadopted, and that the residents/owners would like you

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/08/14 17:02, Tom Hughes wrote: See, for example: http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/atoz/a_to_z/service.asp?u_id=1065tab=3siteid=5409pageid=29027e=e http://www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/sn00402.pdf is also informative. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread John F. Eldredge
In the USA, it depends upon whether the property owner has given permission for public use. If a private road through an apartment complex is signed as residents and guests only, for example, an outsider driving through can be charged with trespassing. On August 3, 2014 6:50:55 AM CDT, Colin

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread john whelan
In the UK there are rights of way which date back in time to the days of pack horses and long distance footpaths. I don't think you have the equivalent in North America. So in the UK a right of way may still follow a privately maintained road. It's probably better to leave the tagging of this

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread john whelan
Whilst I think of it there are some footpaths and roads in the UK which are open to the public on 364 days a year but closed one day a year to prevent them from becoming a public right of way. Cheerio John On 3 August 2014 21:47, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK there are

Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Kevin Broderick
It varies by jurisdiction within the U.S., too; Vermont has an Ancient Roads doctrine that has kept many right-of-ways legally open despite towns no longer maintaining them. It gets a bit more complicated in that some of them are posted contrary to their legal status, and the only way to

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Colin Smale
As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. --colin On 2014-08-03 16:44, Colin Smale wrote: On 2014-08-03 16:24, Craig Wallace wrote: On 2014-08-03 11:00, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Residential roads in the UK often seem

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread Tom Hughes
On 03/08/14 15:49, Colin Smale wrote: As this discussion is about UK specifics, I thought it would be a good plan to reach out to the talk-GB list. The only things I would say you can commonly assume from such signs are that the road is unadopted, and that the residents/owners would like you

Re: [Talk-GB] [OSM-talk] Tagging of private roads

2014-08-03 Thread David Woolley
On 03/08/14 17:02, Tom Hughes wrote: In reality such roads may, even though they are not adopted and are hence not maintained at public expense, be highways with an associated right of way for the public. That's more likely for long established, and probably rural roads. For recently