Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Anthony wrote: > Longer term though, there should almost surely be a tile based index. Umm, yeah, please pretend I didn't say that :). ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: >> No, seriously, it would be great if someone found a way to modify the API >> (more precisely, the cgimap program) so that it accepts requests for larger >> bounding boxes in sparsely mapped

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:49 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > No, seriously, it would be great if someone found a way to modify the API > (more precisely, the cgimap program) so that it accepts requests for larger > bounding boxes in sparsely mapped areas. It is probably not easy to do this > in a perfo

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-25 Thread Kevin Peat
+1 on this idea I have used josm since I started with osm but still end up clicking fairly randomly on these icons. A menu would be way better. Kevin On 24 Jan 2011 22:41, "M∡rtin Koppenhoefer" wrote: 2011/1/24 Sebastian Klein : > Anthony wrote: >> >> If I take notes of which parts I find le

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: (And, if my memory serves, you get slapped on the wrist for trying to download too much.) based on a formula which is related to the number of square kilometres involved, and which has no relation to the amount of data involved. It is presented as a restriction from t

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:25:00 +1100 Steve Bennett wrote: > (And, if my memory > serves, you get slapped on the wrist for trying to download too much.) based on a formula which is related to the number of square kilometres involved, and which has no relation to the amount of data involved. It is p

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
colliar-3 wrote: > > Am 25.01.2011 02:44, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: >> >> One issue I have is this: I often import selected ways (such as railways) >> in >> an area from xapi and then edit them, adding new ones and deleting bad >> ones. >> (On upload if I deleted something that's referenced by

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 17:25 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > But in JOSM you have to explicitly download data, > manipulate it, then explicitly upload it again. (And, if my memory > serves, you get slapped on the wrist for trying to download too > much.) yes - precisely why I use josm -- regards KG

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Sebastian Klein wrote: > Yes, concrete ideas for improvement would be appreciated. One thing I found very offputting was the conceptual model required that "map data" itself is an object you have to process. In Potlatch, there is minimal distinction between the vi

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 9:22 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > If you are annoyed by plugins that break everything (does indeed > happen, but rarely), simply don't install them. Stuff that has proven > generally useful and stable will usually get integrated in the main > code basis. Alright, cool.

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread colliar
Am 25.01.2011 02:44, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: > > One issue I have is this: I often import selected ways (such as railways) in > an area from xapi and then edit them, adding new ones and deleting bad ones. > (On upload if I deleted something that's referenced by a non-downloaded > object I get a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:40 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/1/24 Sebastian Klein : >> Anthony wrote: >>> >>> If I take notes of which parts I find least intuitive (the parts I >>> have to RTFM about, like how to reopen those right-side toolbarish >>> windows), would anyone be interested in

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Anthony-6 wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:00 AM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: >> Yes, if you try >> and use Potlatch to show several thousand objects you are certifiably >> insane. If you want to work in a JOSM-like manner, use JOSM! > > Good points. I think that's a big part of it. I ten

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/24 Sebastian Klein : > Anthony wrote: >> >> If I take notes of which parts I find least intuitive (the parts I >> have to RTFM about, like how to reopen those right-side toolbarish >> windows), would anyone be interested in them? > > Yes, concrete ideas for improvement would be appreciated.

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/24 Anthony : > I assume there's no way to do "load on demand" in JOSM? well, you load what you want, but you have to do it manually. Loading is blocking in JOSM, which has a big advantage: you know that all data was loaded before you edit. cheers, Martin _

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Sebastian Klein
Anthony wrote: If I take notes of which parts I find least intuitive (the parts I have to RTFM about, like how to reopen those right-side toolbarish windows), would anyone be interested in them? Yes, concrete ideas for improvement would be appreciated. Certain things I'm aware of, e.g. there s

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread hbogner
On 01/24/2011 04:43 PM, Anthony wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:34 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: I also honestly thought it was the first editor with non-sucky relations support :) I just checked and the relations support is much better than it was last time I used it, and probably better th

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 7:34 AM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > I also honestly thought it was the first editor with non-sucky > relations support :) I just checked and the relations support is much better than it was last time I used it, and probably better than PL1 (once I can figure out how to ge

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:08 AM, MP wrote: > But Potlatch is much slower, at least for me, once there are several > thousand primitives in view it will become quite unuseable. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:22 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2011/1/24 Steve Bennett : >> 3) Poor performance. (On my

[OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 24 January 2011 02:19, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Vincent Pottier wrote: >> Le 24/01/2011 00:25, Anthony a écrit : >>> >>> I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM.  Of the four >>> main editors (others being PL1, PL2, and Merkaartor), it's my least >>> favor

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martin wrote: > I am not sure for newer potlatch, but the few times I was forced to > use it (why the hell there is undelete api available only for Potlatch > and not as XML?) Hey, calm down. Less of the "why the hell", please. The reason Potlatch 1 can undelete is because I wrote the undelete

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Frederik Ramm wrote: > Come on people. There's enough editors for everyone. There's a ton > of reasons, for *every* editor, why someone would use or not use > it. Personally I am glad that this is so Absolutely. I'd also add that transferring your expectations of how one editor works onto anot

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/1/24 Steve Bennett : > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Anthony wrote: >> I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM. > > In my case I think it boils down to: > 1) Complicated, idiosyncratic user interface. My brain just doesn't > have space to learn new interfaces. Everything need

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread MP
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 18:24:48 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Anthony wrote: I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM. In my case I think it boils down to: 1) Complicated, idiosyncratic user interface. My brain just doesn't have space to learn new int

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Oscar Orbe
Hello I agree with Frederik i was saying that Steve's message was rubbish As Greta Garbo would say: one of us needs to improve his English will it be me? --Oscar --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Frederik Ramm wrote: From: Frederik Ramm Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (w

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
In the same way I try to convince long-time JOSM users to once again look at Potlatch2 you should also have another look at JOSM if you tried fiddling with it once. It is not that bad at the moment. But I also use Potlatch2 more often than JOSM now. But mostly for casual editing... Groet, Floris

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Alexandr Zeinalov
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Anthony wrote: >> I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM. > > 4) General preference for online tools (so I don't need to synchronise > environments across different computers) You may use portable installation of JOSM on flash drive on any comput

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/24/2011 09:23 AM, Oscar Orbe wrote: #rubbish Come on people. There's enough editors for everyone. There's a ton of reasons, for *every* editor, why someone would use or not use it. Personally I am glad that this is so; I think the needs of different users are much better served by

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-24 Thread Oscar Orbe
#rubbish --- On Mon, 1/24/11, Steve Bennett wrote: From: Steve Bennett Subject: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor) To: "Anthony" Cc: "Open Street Map mailing list" Date: Monday, January 24, 2011, 7:24 AM On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25

Re: [OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-23 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves
On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 18:24 +1100, Steve Bennett wrote: > It looks like a fantastically powerful tool, and I wish all those who > use it the very best. But I'm probably one of those few people who > actually moved from JOSM *to* Potlatch. it *is* a fantastic tool - with the connectivity I usually

[OSM-talk] Why I don't use JOSM (was Re: Non-map-based OSM editor)

2011-01-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Anthony wrote: > I'm not quite sure why, but I really don't like JOSM. In my case I think it boils down to: 1) Complicated, idiosyncratic user interface. My brain just doesn't have space to learn new interfaces. Everything needs to behave the same. 2) Fragility.