Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-16 Thread MP
I don't share your pessimism. I've mapped maxspeed=* quite a bit. Compared to name=*, it's no harder to map, and it is of increasing importance. I think we'll get far more than 8% of road names tagged in the long-term future, and I think the same of maxspeed=*. Well ... maybe not - since

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-06 Thread Anthony
I wasn't whining, nor was I suggesting that the project has no potential. In fact, I think there are lots of good answers to the question how do you use speed limit tags when only 8% of the roads are tagged with them? But I don't think think longer-term is one of them. On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-06 Thread Anthony
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:13 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2010/7/5 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Okay. How do you use speed limit tags when only 8% of the roads are tagged with them? Actually it doesn't matter at all, how many percents of the planet are tagged with a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread David Murn
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 00:42 +, John F. Eldredge wrote: However, you can't be certain, without personally checking the street in question, whether the street really has no speed limit signs, or whether the person who added the street to the map simply failed to add the speed limit tag.

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread Roy Wallace
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How do you use speed limit tags when only 5% of the roads are tagged with them? Think longer-term. Okay.  How do you use speed limit tags when only 8% of the roads are tagged with them? I don't share your pessimism. I've

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread John Smith
On 5 July 2010 10:45, john whelan jwhelan0...@gmail.com wrote: Generally speaking you could bot an area with the default speed limit then just tag the higher speed roads. You don't need to bot anything, you can easily do this sort of thing in JOSM... The bigger problem is how do you stop some

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread Lambertus
Did it prevent me from mapping when I discovered back in 2007 that the map was almost blank? Did I think that the project had no potential, could not become anywhere near suitable for routing? No, on the contrary. And look at where we're now, only three years later! Reasoning in half empty

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/7/5 Anthony o...@inbox.org: Okay.  How do you use speed limit tags when only 8% of the roads are tagged with them? Actually it doesn't matter at all, how many percents of the planet are tagged with a certain tag, it is sufficient that the tags are present in the area you are interested

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
John F. Eldredge wrote: Recently, I have been using Potlatch, with the Yahoo aerial-photos background, to clean up some errors in data that originated with the TIGER import. According to the Potlatch documentation on the wiki, if I drag a node belonging to one way onto a node belonging

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Nic, Nic Roets wrote: There is a lot of talk around better algorithms (e.g. contraction hierarchies), distributed routing, stress tests etc. So I'm going to put in into perspective with a few calculations. For a 40km journey, Gosmore takes 50ms*. It's all a question of user experience. Of

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Nic, Nic Roets wrote: There is a lot of talk around better algorithms (e.g. contraction hierarchies), distributed routing, stress tests etc. So I'm going to put in into perspective with a few calculations. For a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread Roy Wallace
On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How do you use speed limit tags when only 5% of the roads are tagged with them? Think longer-term. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread Kai Krueger
Frederik Ramm wrote: Nic, Nic Roets wrote: There is a lot of talk around better algorithms (e.g. contraction hierarchies), distributed routing, stress tests etc. So I'm going to put in into perspective with a few calculations. For a 40km journey, Gosmore takes 50ms*. It's all a

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread John F. Eldredge
...@openstreetmap.org Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 15:46:49 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed Frederik Ramm wrote: Nic, Nic Roets wrote: There is a lot of talk around better algorithms (e.g. contraction hierarchies), distributed routing

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Kai Krueger wrote: That is an interesting line of argument and gets at the (usual) question of how much end user support we want to provide. I.e. do we want to build a routing service for anyone to use, or do we want to include routing on the main page as an important debugging tool to

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 19:44 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How do you use speed limit tags when only 5% of the roads are

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread John F. Eldredge
-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 19:44 -0400, Anthony wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Roy Wallace waldo000...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: How do you use

Re: [OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-04 Thread john whelan
Generally speaking you could bot an area with the default speed limit then just tag the higher speed roads. The bigger problem is how do you stop some teenager from changing the sped limit on the map. www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/car-news/gps_speed_limiters_in_action Cheerio John

[OSM-talk] Why quality is more important than routing speed

2010-07-03 Thread Nic Roets
There is a lot of talk around better algorithms (e.g. contraction hierarchies), distributed routing, stress tests etc. So I'm going to put in into perspective with a few calculations. For a 40km journey, Gosmore takes 50ms*. So let's say Errol costs around $10,000 and you want to pay it off in 2