Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-12-18 21:41 GMT+01:00 Andy Street a...@street.me.uk: They try to push that tag everywhere even when the tag without the prefix is used 10x more. This is the ad populum fallacy. Any attempt to improve a tagging scheme will always start out being numerically weaker regardless of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-19 Thread Andreas Goss
There are also strange suggestions like contact:webcam (how would you contact someone via his public webcam?) and some documented keys are not even used 5 times (one has no occurence at all). These are at best proposals but shouldn't be in a Key:-Definition page. And with contact:facebook,

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-19 Thread Dave F.
On 18/12/2014 21:27, Andreas Goss wrote: Well, it's kinda what contact does. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact I can't believe this has reared its ugly head again. How little/much it's used is really irrelevant. It's usefulness is what counts prefixing a tag adds no value.

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-19 Thread Mike N
On 12/19/2014 3:47 PM, Dave F. wrote: From memory the original claim was all 'contacts' could be filtered out in one go, but it was pointed out that post filtering would still need to be performed, and I'm no programming expert, but I was led to believe parsing a string like 'contact:email' is

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-19 Thread Andreas Goss
In one go, there's this: http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=contact I still don't see when that is that usefull. I mean yeah it's nice to see which tags people use, but that could just be documented in the Wiki. When editing POIs then when a POI has contact information that usually

[OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-18 Thread Andreas Goss
Thought I'd post this here too, because it's a bit more than just tagging. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Honestly the people supporting this contact: tag are annoying me more and more. They try to push that tag everywhere even when the tag without the prefix is used 10x more. The try to make the Wiki page

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-18 Thread Andy Street
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 14:59:00 +0100 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: Honestly the people supporting this contact: tag are annoying me more and more. FWIW I don't usually map contact related tags except for website which I use without the prefix (out of habit rather than merit). They

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-18 Thread Andreas Goss
This is the ad populum fallacy. Any attempt to improve a tagging scheme will always start out being numerically weaker regardless of the merit of the proposal. To further confuse things there are people like myself who will sometimes tag *both* schemes because although we see the need for change

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-18 Thread Andy Street
On Thu, 18 Dec 2014 22:27:50 +0100 Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de wrote: We just need some rules when it comes to the wiki. We can't have anybody putting his tagging ideas there. Of course they can, otherwise the wiki ceases to be a description of the tags used in the database and starts

Re: [OSM-talk] Wiki - contact: Tag Map Features

2014-12-18 Thread Andreas Goss
Of course they can, otherwise the wiki ceases to be a description of the tags used in the database and starts becoming the aspirations of a clique of wiki-fiddlers. So if i think Tag:amenity=place_of_worship should be leisure=* then I should just it like that and put leisure=place_of_worship