Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 17.08.2015 um 01:30 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: I am not aware about values that should be used in that case. you are saying that landuse=forest is not a good tag to describe an area where trees have just been logged and will soon be planted

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread Warin
On 17/08/2015 7:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: In that case it is perfectly OK to do not edit map and keep it as it was (yes, as I understand it and it seems to be a widely used in this way - landuse=wood, natural=wood, landcover=trees are used currently for the same objects). Err disagree,

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
In that case it is perfectly OK to do not edit map and keep it as it was (yes, as I understand it and it seems to be a widely used in this way - landuse=wood, natural=wood, landcover=trees are used currently for the same objects). Probably landuse=forestry and landcover=trees would be a good idea

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 16/08/2015, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-08-16 15:27 GMT+02:00 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: landuse=forest does not imply the area is completely tree covered. Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that tag was to mean

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 16/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: which landuse is good for an area where trees have just been logged and will soon be planted again? landuse=forest, which I've always reasoned of as being landuse=forestry :) Which landuse value is suitable for an area where

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 17.08.2015 um 11:20 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Probably landuse=forestry and landcover=trees would be a good idea and I would support such proposal. how do you suggest to put names? On locality nodes? On landuse objects? If you do the latter

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 17/08/2015, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 17.08.2015 um 11:20 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Probably landuse=forestry and landcover=trees would be a good idea and I would support such proposal. how do you suggest to put names? On locality nodes?

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 17/08/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/08/2015 7:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: In that case it is perfectly OK to do not edit map and keep it as it was The problem with that is that the map will be wrong for 5-15 years (depending on what kind of trees are being grown). I

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 17.08.2015 um 17:05 schrieb moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: You would also have to have overlapping landuse forest areas. When would you need that ? when a forest with a name is part of a bigger forest with a different name cheers Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Greg Troxel
moltonel molto...@gmail.com writes: This is a perfect example of the confusion around landuse=forest vs natural=wood. Size and density ? Managed ? Named ? Usage type ? The curent osm data is a mix of all these criterias an more; at this stage it is hopeless for the consumer to extract more

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2015-08-16 15:27 GMT+02:00 Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com: landuse=forest does not imply the area is completely tree covered. Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that tag was to mean something else - but it is not changing how it is used by most

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
I am not aware about values that should be used in that case. 2015-08-16 20:58 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: 2015-08-16 19:00 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-08-16 19:00 GMT+02:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: Note that in typical usage it means exactly this. Maybe original intention was for that tag was to mean something else - but it is not changing how it is used by most mappers. which landuse is good for an area where trees

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-15 Thread moltonel
On 15 August 2015 14:23:09 GMT+01:00, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: you are mistaken, the motivation for landcover was not connected to the natural (as in nature) and managed idea. Usually the distinction between wood and forest is size and density, the distinction between

[OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-15 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 15.08.2015 13:50, Christoph Hormann napisał(a): The suggestion of using landcover=trees is generally based on the idea that both landuse=forest and natural=wood have a distinct meaning and there are tree covered areas which are neither of these. But in reality this is not the case and

Re: [OSM-talk] landcover=trees [was Re: OpenStreetMap Carto v2.33.0 release]

2015-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 15.08.2015 um 14:58 schrieb Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl: In my opinion suggestion of using landcover=trees is based on the lack of clarity of these tags. Forest suggests it is curated somehow (landuse), wood suggests it is not (natural), but nobody is sure anymore what