Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-03-02 Thread Alan Mintz
Here's another example where it fails to spider because it doesn't want to cross, or even get close to, paved dips at intersection boundaries, no doubt because it thinks they are sidewalks. That should probably be a pattern it is sensitive to (roadColor-borderColor-roadColor) and allow it to go

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Browet
We >> can modify the code to keep more significant digits if need be. >> >> >> >> J.M. >> >> >> >> *From:* christian.bro...@gmail.com [mailto:christian.bro...@gmail.com] *On >> Behalf Of *Chris Browet >> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Browet
gt; Behalf Of *Chris Browet > *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2011 3:12 AM > *To:* John-Michael Wiley > *Cc:* talk@openstreetmap.org > > *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 03:25, John-Michael Wiley > wrote: >

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-14 Thread Chris Browet
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 03:25, John-Michael Wiley wrote: > Not sure that was helpful. > > Anyway, I updated the staging servers with a new build that hopefully > addresses the issues. Give it a try and let me know if you any issue. >- modified osmchange to osmChange >- removed the

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-02-03 09:17, Steve Coast wrote: http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx This is something that has the potential to greatly increase mapping productivity! A couple of things: 1. When I run the sample

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:42 AM, David Murn wrote: > A program that came out of Microsoft, trying to slightly modify a > defacto file format standard, say it isnt so. Dude. It's 2011. We've moved on. Let's stop attacking Microsoft employees when they come here to do something helpful, because of

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread John-Michael Wiley
/ Thanks, J.M. -Original Message- From: David Murn [mailto:da...@incanberra.com.au] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 4:42 PM To: Chris Browet Cc: John-Michael Wiley; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 19:52 +0100, Chris

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread David Murn
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 19:52 +0100, Chris Browet wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 19:25, Chris Browet > wrote: > Busy implementing in Merkaartor > > A bug: > you output while it is , with a capital > "C". see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Osm

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread Chris Browet
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 19:25, Chris Browet wrote: > Busy implementing in Merkaartor > > A bug: > you output while it is , with a capital "C". see > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OsmChange > > - Chris - And, AFAIK, below is not valid. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-13 Thread Chris Browet
iley > *Cc:* Chris Browet; talk@openstreetmap.org > > *Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with > > > > Maybe put the magicshop version number in the creator? > > Steve > > > On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:12 PM, John-Michael Wiley > wrote: > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-05 Thread Nic Roets
Hello Serge, I hope Richard convinced you that my intentions was purely to further the debate and not to attack anyone. It is however not the point of this email... On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: > Nic, Richard has a long history with this community of being one of > ou

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 4 February 2011 15:16, John-Michael Wiley wrote: > The wiki page is not clear about what the version is supposed to be, is it > for the version of OSM that output is written for or the version of the > creator? I can do either, without much trouble. I believe 0.6 is the expected value for vers

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread John-Michael Wiley
-Michael Wiley Cc: Chris Browet; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with Maybe put the magicshop version number in the creator? Steve On Feb 3, 2011, at 9:12 PM, John-Michael Wiley mailto:jmwi...@microsoft.com>> wrote: I made the changes, checked

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread John-Michael Wiley
.com] On Behalf Of Chris Browet Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 1:55 AM To: John-Michael Wiley Cc: Steve Coast; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 06:12, John-Michael Wiley mailto:jmwi...@microsoft.com>> wrote: I made th

[OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread Joao Carreiro
Is there a minimum zoom requirement for the images? I've tried it in Sao Miguel, Azores ( http:// www.openstreetmap.org/? lat=37.7583&lon=-25.61075&zoom=17), where the bing imagery only goes to level 17, and I keep getting a server exception. Cheers, João Carreiro

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
François Van Der Biest wrote: I felt quite frustrated when I saw the silverlight stuff warning, so I decided to create a simple client with OpenLayers. Here it is: http://maps.qualitystreetmap.org/bingtracing/ Thank you - that let me try it ! In a few tests, I saw the tool prefer to route thr

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 06:12, John-Michael Wiley wrote: > > > I made the changes, checked in the code and published them to the staging > servers. If someone else wants to take a look at the output and let me know > if you think. Unless I hear complaints I will update the production servers > tomo

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-04 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 21:19:17 +0200 Nic Roets wrote: > For example, when you spider the web and find references to > 5, 20 and 48 Lion Street, Pretoria, then it may help the user who is > mapping that street. Perhaps it's a cul de sac and now he doesn't need > to travel all the way down it to see w

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread SteveC
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: christian.bro...@gmail.com [mailto:christian.bro...@gmail.com] On > Behalf Of Chris Browet > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:4

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread John-Michael Wiley
. From: christian.bro...@gmail.com [mailto:christian.bro...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Chris Browet Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:47 PM To: John-Michael Wiley Cc: Steve Coast; talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with I am also wondering if we should

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Browet
> I am also wondering if we should switch to osm change as the enclosing tag > although the idea is not to give someone something they submit right to OSM. > In our prototypes we have been adding the detected ways onto the map for the > user to edit and approve. I generate new id’s for the ones pas

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread John-Michael Wiley
r the ones passed back to me so they don't conflict with current changes the user has already made. Sincerely, J.M. Wiley From: Chris Browet [mailto:c...@semperpax.com] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:26 PM To: Steve Coast Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] magical road d

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Browet
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 03:25, Chris Browet wrote: > Small details: > > in ""(just > clicking "Go" on > http://magicshop.cloudapp.net/Default.aspx) > > 1) "false" is misspelled to "flase" > 2) Why "false" in the first place? > 3) What/who/why is the uid mentioned? > 4) same about version (hardcod

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Browet
Small details: in ""(just clicking "Go" on http://magicshop.cloudapp.net/Default.aspx) 1) "false" is misspelled to "flase" 2) Why "false" in the first place? 3) What/who/why is the uid mentioned? 4) same about version (hardcoded to 5?) It will be experimentally enabled in Merkaartor soon. Regar

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread SteveC
Thanks for the feedback. Eyal and jm any chance of confidence? Steve On Feb 3, 2011, at 3:10 PM, François Van Der Biest wrote: > Thanks for this new service. > > I felt quite frustrated when I saw the silverlight stuff warning, so I > decided to create a simple client with OpenLayers. > Here

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread François Van Der Biest
Thanks for this new service. I felt quite frustrated when I saw the silverlight stuff warning, so I decided to create a simple client with OpenLayers. Here it is: http://maps.qualitystreetmap.org/bingtracing/ I really like the whole idea, but the service lacks a confidence index for the returned

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread SteveC
That's an interesting idea, I wonder what else lurks on the web, like postcodes for example? Steve On Feb 3, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Nic Roets wrote: > Steve, > > Another thing that Bing can help us with is determining address ranges > of roads. For example, when you spider the web and find refere

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Richard Weait
Ah, we can continue our discussion elsewhere, preferably over a beverage. If I could drag myself back to the topic, I might wonder aloud if this technology could be used to add buildings for Project of the Month. ;-) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstree

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Nic Roets wrote: >> "I only infringed a little bit" is still infringing. > > My understanding is that extracting a single fact from a single source > is always legal (in the US, in the UK, everywhere). Unfortunately in our case, the distinction between a single sm

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Nic Roets
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Richard Weait wrote: > On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Nic Roets wrote: >> A little bit of care will be needed to suppress databases that may be >> legally protected. But I can't see any problem if you extract 1 >> address per website. > > I can see a problem with

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Nic Roets wrote: > A little bit of care will be needed to suppress databases that may be > legally protected. But I can't see any problem if you extract 1 > address per website. I can see a problem with that idea. "I only infringed a little bit" is still infringin

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Steve Coast wrote: > http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx That's really neat. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://li

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Nic Roets
Steve, Another thing that Bing can help us with is determining address ranges of roads. For example, when you spider the web and find references to 5, 20 and 48 Lion Street, Pretoria, then it may help the user who is mapping that street. Perhaps it's a cul de sac and now he doesn't need to travel

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Stefan de Konink wrote: After toying with markov models and viterbi for image tracing maybe we could do the same for _all_ GPX tracks that OpenStreetMap has stored. Or maybe just the not-too-noisy ones... But I guess that tracks that jump too erratically around a mean vector can be filtered

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
Steve Coast wrote: http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx Very interesting. I wonder how it relates to the research I had cited at http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg25869.html - I'm eager

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Stefan de Konink
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011, Steve Coast wrote: http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatic ally-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx After toying with markov models and viterbi for image tracing maybe we could do the same for _all_ GPX tracks that OpenStreetMap

Re: [OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Dermot McNally
On Thursday, 3 February 2011, Steve Coast wrote: > http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatically-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx Ooh! Just what I've always wanted. [goes off to play with it] Dermot -- -- Igaühel

[OSM-talk] magical road detector to play with

2011-02-03 Thread Steve Coast
http://www.bing.com/community/site_blogs/b/maps/archive/2011/02/03/automatic ally-detect-roads-with-bing-aerial-imagery.aspx ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk