Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-29 Thread Gaz Davidson
On 26 March 2010 13:51, Emilie Laffray wrote: > have you looked at a project called openbmap? Essentially a few months ago, > I suggested to those people to merge their data in OSM. However, it became > clear they didn't want it to be done, as there was plenty of problem to do > so, and I accepted

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-29 Thread Gaz Davidson
On 26 March 2010 20:15, Gregory wrote: > I seem to remember certain BT home packages you can use their network for > free when your out and about. But then it lets other BT customers connect to > your wifi. Hopefully they explained this in large enough print. Just put > this here for interest. I

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-29 Thread Joseph Reeves
-1 I'd rather see collaboration with www.wigle.net rather then adding Access Point information to the OSM DB. After looking at things like the Dupe Nodes map and KeepRight, I'm much more interested in cleaning up the existing dataset rather than adding new stuff to it, especially if there are lon

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-26 Thread Emilie Laffray
On 25 March 2010 15:09, Gaz Davidson wrote: > Hi > > I've just got a Google Nexus One and was thinking about making an > application for it. The first thing that came to mind was a minimalist > app to add open WiFi networks as points of interest. I imagine it > working something like this: > > Th

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-26 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Gaz Davidson wrote: ... > I guess it could just stop updating the node once a user has deleted > it from OSM's database, but I wouldn't remove it from my source list. Anybody check to see if one of the existing wifi data collectors has this, or the other technical

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-26 Thread Gaz Davidson
On 26 March 2010 11:39, Gregory wrote: > I think you would need a separate database for the collection. > Then every week or so you have a rule that estimates the access point > location and says where a few people have seen this network, and it has been > seen recently, then add it to OSM and upd

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-26 Thread Vincent Pottier
Le 26/03/2010 12:39, Gregory a écrit : > I think you would need a separate database for the collection. I a first time, it would be nice to have access to the Fon database. http://maps.fon.com/ And to tell them to use OSM rather than google map ! Who is a Fon member in the OSM community ? -- FrVi

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-26 Thread Gregory
I think you would need a separate database for the collection. Then every week or so you have a rule that estimates the access point location and says where a few people have seen this network, and it has been seen recently, then add it to OSM and update your db with the OSM node id. Some informat

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-26 Thread Gaz Davidson
On 25 March 2010 19:13, Claudius wrote: > Am 25.03.2010 15:09, Gaz Davidson: >> (...) at some later time the positions of all >> known access points can be estimated and imported into OSM's database. > > I think WiFi are too temporary a feature to be added to the main OSM > database. Why not keep

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2010/3/26 Graham Jones : > I think that public access points are reasonable for the main db.  It would > be a lot of effort to set up a separate system, and they are only nodes > after all. +1, I also encourage you to put them now. If we find out in some years that they're all gone and nobody eve

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-25 Thread David Muir Sharnoff
I think putting these on the map would be a good thing. I would like to see them on the map. They should be identified and there should be an application that removes stale ones (part of the job of the app that adds them). -Dave On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Graham Jones wrote: > I think th

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-25 Thread AssetBurned
hi On 25.03.2010, at 21:34, Jukka Rahkonen wrote: > Claudius gmx.de> writes: > >> I think WiFi are too temporary a feature to be added to the main OSM >> database. Why not keep it in a seperate project database? >> >> Besides: Nice idea. But will it be needed in times of 3G access? > > Why n

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-25 Thread Graham Jones
I think that public access points are reasonable for the main db. It would be a lot of effort to set up a separate system, and they are only nodes after all. We do include bus routes after all, which would also be candidates for a different db. Graham Graham Jones (from my

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-25 Thread Greg Troxel
It's sometimes a tough call what belongs in the database, but all open access points seems to me not to fit. It certainly seems like a good candidate for a separate database also under a cc license. pgpUqBLFzCxex.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ ta

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-25 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Claudius gmx.de> writes: > I think WiFi are too temporary a feature to be added to the main OSM > database. Why not keep it in a seperate project database? > > Besides: Nice idea. But will it be needed in times of 3G access? Why not? It can be dirty expensive to use 3G when you are abroad. -J

Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points

2010-03-25 Thread Claudius
Am 25.03.2010 15:09, Gaz Davidson: > (...) at some later time the positions of all > known access points can be estimated and imported into OSM's database. I think WiFi are too temporary a feature to be added to the main OSM database. Why not keep it in a seperate project database? Besides: Nic