Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Marc_marc
Le 25.10.22 à 19:45, Colin Smale a écrit : Are underground pipelines and electricity transmission cables just as controversial? They are covered over, built on, and completely unobservable from the surface in several European countries, the markers are visible from satellite imagery and by

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Marc_marc
Le 25.10.22 à 20:26, Minh Nguyen a écrit : If you have time to write up your experiences in OHM's central issue tracker [1], it could have a concrete impact on the project. https://github.com/OpenHistoricalMap/issues/issues/478 ___ talk mailing

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 10/25/22 19:18, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: In my experience, it is more often the opposite situation that happens. A mapper, unaware of the lengthy debates on the topic of former railroads, is mapping her house and removes the bit of abandoned rail currently on the map in that spot,

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 06:40 2022-10-25, Marc_marc đã viết: when to migrate the data to ohm, I am convinced. however, having tested it this month, it's horribly non-ergonomic and I don't believe for a moment that it's within the reach of an iD contributor nor of an average contributor with josm, unless a

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 1:45 PM Colin Smale wrote: > Are underground pipelines and electricity transmission cables just as > controversial? They are covered over, built on, and completely unobservable > from the surface. They may also have been taken out of service many decades > ago. > In the

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Colin Smale
> On 25/10/2022 19:18 CEST Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 4:37 AM Frederik Ramm mailto:frede...@remote.org> wrote: > > > in the spirit of friendly collaboration I would say that a limited amount of > > stuff-that-should-not-be-in-OSM can be *tolerated*. If

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 7:46 AM Marc_marc wrote: > Hello, > > Le 25.10.22 à 09:42, Warin a écrit : > > why have the tags that mean there is nothing left of it? > > I'm using from time to time as a QA-tag to avoid that a mapper > add it back I do this as well. We have had some major wildfires

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 4:37 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > in the spirit of friendly collaboration I would say that a limited amount > of > stuff-that-should-not-be-in-OSM can be *tolerated*. If someone does a > lot of good work for OSM otherwise and would really like to record an > ancient former

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Zeke Farwell
On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 4:37 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > If someone does a > lot of good work for OSM otherwise and would really like to record an > ancient former railroad that ran through where their house now sits - I > shrug and let them do it. Only if someone starts to make it their > mission

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Dave F via talk
On 25/10/2022 08:42, Warin wrote: If OSM is about mapping what exists today .. why have the tags that mean there is nothing left of it? The main OSM website/database shouldn't. it is for *current* data. "OpenStreetMap is a place for mapping things that are both /real and current/"

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Langley Brook

2022-10-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 12:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Thank you; that's very helpful. Unfortunately, on further examination, that map has this (other) waterway, which we have as Churchill Brook, labelled as Langley brook: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/167796053#map=17/52.56693/-1.77186

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Marc_marc
Hello, Le 25.10.22 à 09:42, Warin a écrit : why have the tags that mean there is nothing left of it? I'm using from time to time as a QA-tag to avoid that a mapper add it back (and in fact, I don't care, for osm, if it's demolished, removed or destroyed, because if you weren't there the day

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Langley Brook

2022-10-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 at 12:36, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Thank you; that's very helpful. Though it does beg the question of what happens to the water in the south-flowing stream represented by this way: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/4001187 which appears as though it may be connected -

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Langley Brook

2022-10-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
Thank you; that's very helpful. As it passes through "Langely Pool", I've assumed it is all known as Langley Brook. Elsewhere on the brook, the alignment of: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/485634449 and the immediate section downstream from there seems dubious; the former is shown as a

Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Langley Brook

2022-10-25 Thread Andy Robinson
Andy, You can find it on https://maps.nls.uk/view/101584522 where there is a "rises" note on the map. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Andy Mabbett Sent: 24 October 2022 20:33 To: Mappa Mercia mailing list Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Langley Brook I'm trying to determine the

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread stevea
As usual (nearly all of the time!), I appreciate and agree with your well-stated clarifications, Frederik! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, you are correct in all aspects, however in the spirit of friendly collaboration I would say that a limited amount of stuff-that-should-not-be-in-OSM can be *tolerated*. If someone does a lot of good work for OSM otherwise and would really like to record an ancient former railroad that

Re: [OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread stevea
On Oct 25, 2022, at 12:42 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: a > Question: about mapping of old railway infrastructure. Without "meaning to be mean," I say "oh, no, not again!" I say it like that because OSM has had this discussion many, many times. I'll be relatively brief here and have

[OSM-talk] razed railways and other things that don't exist today

2022-10-25 Thread Warin
Hi, Question: If OSM is about mapping what exists today .. why have the tags that mean there is nothing left of it? demolished:*=*     Not existing anymore because of active removal  removed:*=*     Not existing anymore because of active removal (possible duplicate of demolished:*=*)