Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/8 Jochen Topf : > I think "don't map for the renderer" is a nice idea, but has nothing to do > with Don't map "incorrectly" for the renderer to have it show up a certain way... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer ___ tal

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/8 John F. Eldredge : > In the USA, a Notary Public merely attests that the person who signed a > document showed official identification to prove their identity matched the > name on the document. The only notary in Australia that I know of is in the US embassy in Sydney. Here, JPs are o

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > Anthony wrote: >> I'd imagine for some applications we'd want the former (a straight >> road/rail), and for some we'd want the latter (the border of Wyoming). >> Which should be the official definition according to the specs? > > Because very few people in OSM hav

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Jochen Topf : > On Fri, Jan 08, 2010 at 06:39:16PM +1000, John Smith wrote: >> 2010/1/8 Jochen Topf : >> > I think "don't map for the renderer" is a nice idea, but has nothing to do >> > with >> >> Don't map "incorrectly&q

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Dave F. : > I'm aware of the concept that the earth is not flat. No but map projections are... > But... This is a two dimensional map. IFAIK there is no 3d data. The PoV > of viewing the OSM data via the likes of Mapnik is always through the > surface of the earth to the centre of the ea

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Martin Siegel : > AFAIK this is not correct. First of all the PoV of Mercator projection > is not going through the center of the earth. It's a somehow stretched > cylindrical projection and it goes through the north-south-axis. > The way it is stretched causes that angles on the earth are

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 : > Eg Air navigation east coast north america to europe. > This is long enough that shown on a Mercator projection the straight line > which the pilot flies is shown as a curve - because in 3D it is a curve. Not just a curve, but a S shape when they cross the equator. You can also see

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-08 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Stephen Hope : > I can't easily give you a rule as to what an office is, but I can tell > one when I see it  :) http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/office 1. a room, set of rooms, or building where the business of a commercial or industrial organization or of a professional perso

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Frederik Ramm : > * If your editor was using EPSG:4326 then the line you saw on the screen > *will* go through that point. Most imagery, if not all, used for this purpose will be EPSG:4326, ie lat/lon, and the co-ords uploaded to OSM is lat/lon, and ways are a collection of points, they d

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Frederik Ramm : > John, > >   I've made an honest effort to explain. You haven't understood. Maybe we're And I've made a honest effort to try and explain how I disagree and why. I couldn't be bothered to reply to the rest, it's just appeals to authority and so which is pointless in a dis

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Martin Siegel : > straight line on the map. Now imagine someone wanted to draw a straight > line between these two points and does this in an editor using the same Before making assumptions on the editor, what about assumptions on the data source, are we talking GPS or hi-res imagery? Nei

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 John Smith : > 2010/1/9 Carsten Nielsen : >> >> John Smith skrev: >>> If we are assuming GPS, then it's irrelevent, since you are plotting >>> from lat/lon to lat/lon, if it's hi-res imagery it would still be >>> lat/lon... >>

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
2010/1/9 Stephen Hope : > 2010/1/9 John Smith : >> No it isn't, the preprocessing software could do that if it needs it, >> this isn't a reason to add extra nodes to the database. > > We are talking about the API for editors and casual use of the > database.  Th

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
2010/1/10 Dont Reply : > John Smith skrev: >> Pretty sure this is a hypothetical question, because even the highway >> across the Nullabor is bound to be not perfectly straight, although it >> would be mostly straight :) > Well not quite hypothetical.. > > I am sure y

Re: [OSM-talk] New "Highways" view in OSM Inspector

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
2010/1/10 Anthony : > I don't know.  The "WGS84" part is pretty arbitrary. It's what lat/lon should be uploaded to OSM so it's consistent world wide, you don't need to support all sorts of weird and wonderful local datums, even if there is drift due to continental drift etc. Australia is moving N

[OSM-talk] Unions seem to be complaining about potential job losses if OS data is given away for free..

2010-01-09 Thread John Smith
http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/4826436.New_threat_to_jobs_at_Southampton_s_Ordnance_Survey/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Unions seem to be complaining about potential job losses if OS data is given away for free..

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/10 Aun Johnsen : > So complaining about potential job loss in one company shows either > lack of knowledge, or lack of competence. It is the latter than we are > better off without them. The complaints about job losses is sales staff since the data may be given away there will be less need

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on Key:religion - Pastafarians

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/11 Aun Johnsen : > The best political statement we can make is inclusionism. Include > whatever in the database, so that everybody can do whatever they want > with the map. What I'm wondering is, where is a pastafarian building? After all, I thought we were tagging what's on the ground? I

Re: [OSM-talk] Edit war on Key:religion - Pastafarians

2010-01-10 Thread John Smith
2010/1/11 John F. Eldredge : > The logical Pastafarian building would be a multilevel highway interchange, > with crisscrossing bridges, since a slang term for those (at least in the > USA) is "spaghetti junction".  If you have to cross one of those while it is > covered in ice, there is definit

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread John Smith
2010/1/12 Steve Bennett : > On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Stephen Hope wrote: >> If I go to a tattooist, he doesn't sell me any goods, he provides a >> service.  But I would call that shop, not an office. On the other >> hand, I can buy stuff at places that I would consider to be offices. >> My

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-11 Thread John Smith
2010/1/12 Steve Bennett : > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:13 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: >> You also have the fact that a "licensed professional" may work elsewhere >> than at an office.  For example, a medical doctor may work at an office; the >> same doctor may also work at a hospital. > > At that

Re: [OSM-talk] icon for veterinary (was: no rendering of amenity=veterinary)

2010-01-12 Thread John Smith
2010/1/13 Daniel Neugebauer : > I think re-rendering all tiles that have vets in it will take some time - > first, the new icon must be deployed to the generating servers, then they need > to be re-rendered. If it's changed later on there might be different icons for > vets until all affected tiles

Re: [OSM-talk] icon for veterinary

2010-01-12 Thread John Smith
2010/1/13 Patrick Kilian : > Hi all, >>> >>> I think re-rendering all tiles that have vets in it will take some >>> time - first, the new icon must be deployed to the generating >>> servers, then they need to be re-rendered. If it's changed later on >>> there might be different icons for vets until

Re: [OSM-talk] Public notary (Map feature POI proposal)

2010-01-13 Thread John Smith
2010/1/14 John F. Eldredge : > I was responding to the definition of an office as "somewhere a licensed > professional works". I didn't disagree with you, but Steve thinks his definition of a map is the only one that matters and continues to tell people how and what they should map as being the o

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoEye Haiti imagery Ok'd

2010-01-14 Thread John Smith
2010/1/15 Karl Guggisberg : > Perhaps the slippymap plugin could be tweaked to acces the haiti > imagery. I don't know it well but it seems that it loads tiles addressed > with (x,y)-coordinates, looks quite similar to what is availabe at > gravitystorm. And it uses a "level", i.e. the "zoom level"

Re: [OSM-talk] GeoEye Haiti imagery Ok'd

2010-01-14 Thread John Smith
2010/1/15 Karl Guggisberg : > This would have come in handy. But as hansendc writes in his comment in > the trac ticket: it's really easy to add a custom tile source. Only if the URL is in the right format, my patch extends things to make it even more useful. > BTW: you don't have to submit patch

Re: [OSM-talk] Can we ditch the publication copyright issues with the Haiti map?

2010-01-15 Thread John Smith
2010/1/16 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > > Stefan de Konink wrote: >> It seems that commercial companies do get the point... > > Yes but you're missing the point. I'm all for ditching the share-alike > hassle but until we do that, everyone holds rights to their data and has > *not* agreed to a clause that

[OSM-talk] US diverts spy drones from Afganistan to Haiti

2010-01-15 Thread John Smith
U.S. Diverts Spy Drone from Afghanistan to Haiti" From the article: "As part of the Haiti relief effort, the U.S. military is sharing imagery from one of its high-end, high-flying spy drones, the RQ-4 Global Hawk. [...] “Today we’re going after another 1,000 images, which will all be unclassified,”

Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Tagging for Haiti: Humanitarian Data Models in support of OSM tagging for Haiti EQ

2010-01-15 Thread John Smith
2010/1/16 Jean-Marc Liotier : > But I don't know yet how to perform mass edits to correct such typo... > Can anyone do that - and tell us how it is done ? Use the search function in JOSM and just edit the tag in the tag pane. ___ talk mailing list talk@

Re: [OSM-talk] Can we ditch the publication copyright issues with the Haiti map?

2010-01-15 Thread John Smith
2010/1/16 Frederik Ramm : >> Even commercial companies aren't doing PD, they are allowing all uses >> except commercial uses. > > So if a charity employs a freelance driver, the driver, being commercial, is > not allowed to use the map, whereas the charity employee sitting next to him > can? Great,

Re: [OSM-talk] Florist apologises: A florist says changing competitors' details on Google Maps 'became an addiction'.

2010-01-15 Thread John Smith
2010/1/16 Robin Paulson : > http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3234636/Florist-apologises-to-online-victims > > a case of the streisand effect? free publicity for google map maker? a > salient warning vandals will get caught? Wonder if the police would bother pursuing the matter if people were caught

Re: [OSM-talk] Florist apologises: A florist says changing competitors' details on Google Maps 'became an addiction'.

2010-01-16 Thread John Smith
2010/1/16 andrzej zaborowski : > 2010/1/16 John Smith : >> Wonder if the police would bother pursuing the matter if people were >> caught for the same offence on OSM? > > I don't think it would be an offense, when you join OSM you're not > agreeing to provi

[OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-16 Thread John Smith
Currently there is a lot of debate over licenses, some people want to change from cc-by-sa to odbl and yet others keep pushing for things to go to public domain. I was chatting with one such person in favour of PD on the phone yesterday about this, one thought that occurred to me was to have data

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/17 Roy Wallace : > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:36 AM, John Smith > wrote: > ... >> and warning PD advocates if they edit CC-BY-SA/ODBL information and >> that the changes won't be public domain. > > Nice idea, but the main difficulty I see is that cont

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/17 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : > Why would it be difficult? If a node was created under license X and > has only been edited by other users allowing license X then it's under > license X. If I understand correctly, Roy thinks this might start a free for all on licenses, which could complicate

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Anthony : > That's not how the ODBL works.  When the switch is made to the ODBL, every > individual changeset/node/way/etc will be effectively in the PD (everyone in > the world will have a non-revocable license to do anything restricted by > copyright law).  Only the database as a whole

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Anthony : > I didn't say it's invalid so much as it's redundant. > > All contributions are effectively PD anyway. That still isn't the point, people want to produce PD data that is readily accessible to all, not PD data shrink wraped with another license. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Anthony : > So one person needs to anonymously download everything from OSM and put it > up on another website which doesn't have the ODbL on it. What you are suggesting is shady at best, and is no better than someone doing that with any other copyrighted material, it doesn't make it any

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Frederik Ramm : > Unless, some share-alike advocates would say, the node was created with > reference to a point Y that was share-alike licensed and thus becomes a > derived work. Except lat/lon isn't copyrightable, so a point alone probably isn't good enough to state much. If it has met

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Anthony : > It's certainly much more legal to copy material for which you have explicit > permission to copy than to copy material which is copyrighted and for which > you don't have permission to copy.  See Again, I'll leave the legal opinions up to others to debate with you, but to me

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 DavidD : > OSM has masses of CC-BY-SA data and contributors. How will the PD > people deal with that? Start replacing the existing CC-BY-SA data and > reverting any edits to PD data by CC-BY-SA contributors? The point more is for new data, than existing, but this is to scratch a particul

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Frederik Ramm : > whereas if the data is not copyrighted, but given to me under a contract > that stipulates that I may not put it up on a web site and say "download and > use freely" then Assuming the data isn't copyrightable, the vector + lat/lon information may not be, but there is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-17 Thread John Smith
2010/1/18 Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason : > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 22:31, Roy Wallace wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:46 AM, John Smith >> wrote: >>> 2010/1/18 DavidD : >>>> OSM has masses of CC-BY-SA data and contributors. How will the PD >>>> peo

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/19 SteveC : > You're being very logical and geeky, but ignoring the social element here. > Ignoring CC and just pulling the data in might satisfy you but would then > annoy a far greater set of people who we should at least honor the ideals > with which they signed up and contributed data

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/19 Anthony : > Yeah, Google would probably quickly start importing data from the PD OSM > into its products.  That alone would be enough to cause me to contribute. Why aren't you helping out with map maker then if you care that much? > I'd love to be able to correct errors that I come acro

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/19 Liz : > This assumes that they can find a means to import and check the data. Just The bigger problem will be how can OSM do that, which is why I'm suggesting that people could tag with the license information, it would then already be incorporated into OSM :) __

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/19 Roy Wallace : > It isn't working for Google and/or TomTom - it's working for the > "public", i.e. everyone and everything (including Google and TomTom). If "the public" gives back they could already be using OSM data... why is it a good thing to spend time, effort, money and other resour

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/19 Aun Yngve Johnsen : > Yahoo have imported OSM data for some while, though I think they take it as > a sort of "payment" for our usage of their hi-res aerial service. Don't you mean flickr? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://li

Re: [OSM-talk] Using editors to indicate license preference.

2010-01-18 Thread John Smith
2010/1/19 Roy Wallace : > On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:10 AM, John Smith wrote: >> 2010/1/19 Roy Wallace : >>> It isn't working for Google and/or TomTom - it's working for the >>> "public", i.e. everyone and everything (including Google and TomTo

Re: [OSM-talk] [Fwd: Re: [CrisisMappers] Re: New Imagery in Google Earth file]

2010-01-21 Thread John Smith
2010/1/21 Jean-Guilhem Cailton > Forwarding reply to Christiann. > > Don't forget to use the source tag for proper attribution. See : > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti/ImageryAndDataSources#Best_Practices > (I assume a new item for this imagery will quickly appear.) > Sho

Re: [OSM-talk] New map feature "disability description"

2010-01-26 Thread John Smith
Subtitles on what? On 1/27/10, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Lulu-Ann wrote: >> >> For instance you can inform deaf people about subtitles in cinemas, > > How about also using subtitles=yes (etc.)... > > ___ > talk mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Railway Stations & relations

2010-01-27 Thread John Smith
Doesn't proximity do grouping? On 1/28/10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2010/1/27 Dave F. : >> Hi >> >> Many of the UK railway stations have a relation called site > name>: >> >> http://osm.org/go/euu4xiukT-- >> >> What is the thinking behind this? > > > site-relations are generally thought to gr

[OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-01-30 Thread John Smith
Anyone feel like promoting OSM? -- Forwarded message -- From: Nav4All Date: 31 January 2010 12:55 Subject: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq Amsterdam, The Netherlands, 28-01-2010 16:30 GMT+1 Subject: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq Letter to 27,625,631 Nav4All na

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-01-31 Thread John Smith
On 31 January 2010 20:02, Maarten Deen wrote: > I have no idea what the license fees of established map offerings are, but > that > money can be put to good use to improve you're integration of OSM maps. Or to improve the map data itself... ___ talk m

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-01 Thread John Smith
On 2 February 2010 11:44, Frederik Ramm wrote: > If they publish their overlay (for example in their yearly report - it > counts as publishing even if the report is only given to selected > people) then they have to do so under CC-BY-SA which will allow those > who receive the work to copy from it

Re: [OSM-talk] [talk-au] Most of Busselton deleted

2010-02-01 Thread John Smith
I've forwarded a copy of your email to the main talk list, some people have scripts to be able to easily revert changes but I don't have anything set up at present. On 2 February 2010 15:45, Arie Paap wrote: > Can someone suggest how to deal with this kind of vandalism: > > Most of Busselton appe

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 2 February 2010 21:26, NopMap wrote: > That's not quite the way they put it. They evaluated it in order not to miss > a major development there, but concluded that it is no alternative and > dropped the idea of using it for good. Can they describe a suitable tagging scheme that would appease t

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 06:13, Roy Wallace wrote: > What's with the "wiki-fiddler" hatred? (not just you, Richard, in > general) All those people advocating for a consistent/enforced/limited > tagging scheme - how do you think such a scheme should be produced? The big problem with using a wiki for doc

Re: [OSM-talk] Playing tagging democracy: standard building process and tag unifying towards it

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 07:45, Claudius wrote: > Just a sidenote: Although it seems to be the showcase of OSM the mapnik > rendering at www.openstreetmap.org is *NOT* what OSM is about. OSM is No but it's a carrot, most people most of the time are only going to map what they can see turn up on mapnik.

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
On 3 February 2010 09:32, Frederik Ramm wrote: > It can't be the murky details of cycleways and bridleways because the > commercial providers don't have that, or if they have it then only in > selected areas. It can't be highway=path and all that because they don't > have it. It can't be - in my o

[OSM-talk] OSM keeps the commercial mapping companies from being stagnant...

2010-02-02 Thread John Smith
TomTom promising daily map updates In an exclusive article [in German], the German business magazine WiWo (Wirtschaftswoche) quotes TomTom CEO Harold Goddin: „Bis Ende des Jahres werden wir alle ein bis zwei Tage aktualisierte Karten zum Download anbieten“ (German original) "Until end of 2010 we'll

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
Any way, back to the original post Nokia is saying Nav4All's is wrong... http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/nokia_kiistaa_kilpailijan_navigoinnin_tappamisen http://translate.google.com/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tietokone.fi%2Fuutiset%2Fnokia_kiistaa_kil

Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 06:24, Chango640 wrote: > I'm sending this mail in order to propose a new feature for the tag landuse: > gated communities. These are a type of private neighbourhoods that are very > common in Argentina, Brazil and many other countries, and have a notorious > difference with ord

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Proposed feature: Gated Communities

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 08:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > AFAIR the barrier=fence should not be applied to an area, what means > in pratical to draw a second way atop the area limits (not really > elegant). Another approach is to tag fenced=yes to the area (don't > know if someone evaluates this thou

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 12:04, Dave F. wrote: > But you're right, he probably should be terminated. Is blocking the account going to be enough to prevent someone from simply signing up for a new account and continuing to do what they were unabbated, seems like a cat and mouse game and the cat is reall

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-03 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 14:58, Randy wrote: > Maybe a more subtle approach would work, i.e., have a bot remove his edits > x days after they are saved. That way he can make his changes, show his > similarly idiotic friends what he has done, and they will be deleted when > he no longer has an interest i

Re: [OSM-talk] Request for user block

2010-02-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 21:02, Maarten Deen wrote: > This of course comes after blocking on email address proves ineffective. > And we even have blacklists for blocking certain "get for free e-mail" > domains from ever registering. I've dealt with this on a project before in a similar manner, I can't

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-04 Thread John Smith
On 4 February 2010 22:26, Nic Roets wrote: > Google certainly has been the disruptor, by building their own maps for the > US so quickly. Google loves data and has been collecting up data sets from local governments in return for google earth licenses, then there is the tiger data set... ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq

2010-02-04 Thread John Smith
On 5 February 2010 10:24, Dave F. wrote: >> I don't care about all the companies that don't want to use OSM. >> > > I think that's a pointless crass statement. I'm still waiting to hear why the company mentioned previously doesn't want to use OSM, what was wrong with the current tagging or other

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik shows pubs but no nightclubs

2010-02-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 February 2010 21:26, Tirkon wrote: > The difference between pub and nightclub is, that latter have got a > dancefloor. Thus it is inscrutable to me, why pubs are shown in Mapnik > but nightclubs are not. Thus: Could the nightclubs be shown in Mapnik > as well? If you want something rendered

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik shows pubs but no nightclubs

2010-02-07 Thread John Smith
On 7 February 2010 22:05, Tirkon wrote: > Thanks for your answer, John. I found this site already before. The > problem is, that one needs insider knowledges, to send a ticket. I do > not have any clue, what to choose under "type" and "ticket > properties". What is i.e. "task", "xapi", "applet" et

Re: [OSM-talk] Use of OSM data by the military and/or intelligence services

2010-02-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 February 2010 01:12, Tirkon wrote: > I do understand, that OSM-people will not be responsible for malicious > use, possibly death of innocent humans caused by them or their work. > But this could be caused also by you, if you buy something and thus > support a person, who will be able to harm

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying Interstate Relations

2010-02-07 Thread John Smith
On 8 February 2010 12:23, Jeffrey Ollie wrote: > What's more annoying is that he is changing the names/refs. From > what I understand the ref is supposed to be only the > interstate/highway number (e.g. "90" or "80") and not "I 90 (MN)". I > use the ref on the relation when building maps for my

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 11:01, Chris Hunter wrote: > Moving back to one of my original questions, I think Nakor was the only one > to respond to the 2 relations per state (1 relation each way) vs 1 relation > with rolls per state question. Why does there need to be 2 relations for this? _

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 11:14, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > One can always create a super relation to collect both directions into one > relation. Why do you need a super relation just to apply roles? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://list

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 11:21, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > besides editing convenience a relation is directed and sorted since API 0.6 > You can see it as a route to follow from start to end. For bus routes this > is a must. 2 relations may use the same road in different directions. on a > highway ref

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 12:20, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > what is wrong with 2 relations? > I didn't say 2 are needed but why do you think 2 is bad? It creates redundant data, and makes it easier to get conflicting data if both aren't updated consistently. It also gives people the opportunity to me

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 13:47, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > 1) theory: tags on the super relation will always supersede tags lower in > hierarchy. conflicting tags don't matter. Actually this is disjointed, ways should override relations and relations should override super relations. > 2) practical

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
> Yes, all you are doing is coming up with work arounds to current > issues, the issues should be fixed properly. Apart from the obvious you aren't uploading/download every single object referenced by the relation every time you edit it, and the references to objects in the relation should still b

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 14:00, John Smith wrote: >> Yes, all you are doing is coming up with work arounds to current >> issues, the issues should be fixed properly. > > Apart from the obvious you aren't uploading/download every single > object referenced by the relation every

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 14:14, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > see the difference is I have done such edits and many others have done it. We > know what we are talking about. > do it and you will never write something ignorant and stupid as this. As I said, the problem seems to be too many changes, not

Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread John Smith
On 9 February 2010 14:14, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > see the difference is I have done such edits and many others have done it. We > know what we are talking about. Then why didn't you report a bug so less information is attempted to be returned? You still have the problem, breaking it up into

Re: [OSM-talk] Project of the week

2010-02-09 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 10:43, Dave F. wrote: > Naa... I'll pass thanks. I'm too busy mapping my neck of the woods. > > Which is what I think is the correct way. Tracing just doesn't cut it. > You need local, on the ground knowledge. It helps but just look what was accomplished with Haiti, it isn't t

Re: [OSM-talk] Fun with duplicate nodes

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 21:13, Stefan de Konink wrote: > For example antenna's in the same tower at different heights. Does Matt's code evaluate node tags at all, or only the lat/lon? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 23:17, Pieren wrote: > But now, the OSMF should speed-up the transition ! We are many contributors > that are reluctant to modify or improve existing data because of the threat > that many old or minor contributions will disappear - not because people > will reject the new lice

Re: [OSM-talk] New OSM GeoData License Status

2010-02-10 Thread John Smith
On 10 February 2010 23:45, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Truth is, you can legally be an asshole. I wasn't comment on the ethics of doing so, merely if it could be done legally, the sticking point here is people that won't respond and what to do about their past contributions, not about people that obje

Re: [OSM-talk] facts cannot be copyrighted in australia: discuss

2010-02-14 Thread John Smith
On 15 February 2010 07:22, Robin Paulson wrote: > http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/02/14/0857256/Australian-Judge-Rules-Facts-Cannot-Be-Copyrighted Already has been on the talk-au list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2010-February/005461.html __

Re: [OSM-talk] fwd: Two thirds of mobile users want driving AND walking navigation

2010-02-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 February 2010 11:13, Roy Wallace wrote: > This is good; we're doing well with highway=path/footway I wonder if they asked about cycling at all, or limited it to just walking/cars... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openst

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Estate_Agent

2010-02-15 Thread John Smith
On 16 February 2010 03:52, wrote: > As I consider it is ready for use, I send this Request for comments. > See you on Talk page: Just use it, don't worry about if it's "official" or not, although it is good to check to see if there are other similar tags and try and find the most used tag.

Re: [OSM-talk] fwd: Two thirds of mobile users want driving AND walking navigation

2010-02-16 Thread John Smith
On 16 February 2010 22:49, Dave F. wrote: > I don't think that Navteq's users Jimmy Choo's are ever going to get mud > on them. Maybe they can get some paint on mud like they do for 4wd;s that never leave the city :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstre

Re: [OSM-talk] fwd: Two thirds of mobile users want driving ANDwalking navigation

2010-02-16 Thread John Smith
On 17 February 2010 01:40, John F. Eldredge wrote: > Frequently you can't get a position fix at all, if the building has much > metal in its structure. I can't get a position fix from inside my house > unless I am near a south-facing window, probably due to a metallic-foil vapor > barrier in t

Re: [OSM-talk] Inquiry about Egnos / Indoor mapping

2010-02-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 09:50, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> - Is anybody working on Indoor maps AND would like to talk to me about it. I >> will do a paper for theWhereBusiness news letter on that. ( I know some of >> the volunteers are working on it and it would be great to ask them how they >> do i

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 February 2010 21:35, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Now we can either adopt a "free-for-all" approach where we encourage > everyone to leave their feedback without spending 10 seconds on > understanding how this map is generated, and then have a lot of work in > post-processing (explaining to people

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. wrote: > Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be > encouraging them to 'do it yourself' While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I don't think OSM's website is at the point where some granny can just quickl

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
Anyone on the outside seeing this won't be inspired to learn to fix any errors people are trying to get fixed... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Photo_mapping - How to put EXIF data into a jpg image

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 06:10, Jochen Plumeyer wrote: > Be aware of your time zone (and daylight savings timezone as well) of your > camera, as GPX times are all in lon=0°/ Greenwich/ UTC/ Zulu time. Actually they are in GPS time, and have an offset in seconds from UTC embedded in the signal. __

Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept

2010-02-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 February 2010 13:17, SteveC wrote: > Was that meant to disagree or agree with what I said or what? Everyone keeps complaining that OSB is the wrong approach, it will create too much work, but no one has any proof of what will happen, and current bugs listed aren't much of a guide because th

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 06:41, Niklas Cholmkvist wrote: > I think it is because I like to map with much detail. I like to map it > 'as it really is'. In reality you are only mapping an approximation, maps aren't supposed to replace aerial imagery they serve different purposes. > That is not the only

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 07:53, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Carsten Gerlach wrote: >> >> Yes, that's right, have a look at http://osm.org/go/0MBdEXMHO- for example. > > That looks great, and so simple... highway=* for the way, AND Until you zoom out even one level, then it s

Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping streets as areas - can I do it now?

2010-02-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 February 2010 08:05, David Paleino wrote: > I remember someone complaining with me that routers not supporting > highway=* + area=yes in the same relation with a "normal" highway=*, > might get confused -- and that something like "landuse=road" would be > better. Wouldn't landuse=road bleed

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