Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
Another thing about the 2006 map is that many of the ways that definitely were there then. e.g. http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#14/51.0523/-0.7374 This is the Fernhurst area, West Sussex. There should be a primary road north to south and many more footpaths Primary and secondary roads seem to be particularly prone to being missing. I think they were always highway=primary so not sure why that is. Also a number of footpaths are missing. Is this perhaps because they are now highway=path and the 2006 map is being rendered with a 2006 stylesheet so they don't show up? Nick -Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: - To: Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Date: 25/08/2014 03:22PM Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM Il giorno 25/ago/2014, alle ore 12:55, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru ha scritto: Thanks, here is the map for August 2006: http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#6/53.462/5.08 interesting, thanks for posting this. I have two remarks why it seems missleading for the less informed: - the coastline is more recent than 2006 - you have kept the external data from natural earth (builtup areas for midzoom) So actually in 2006 there was even less map than it appears ;-) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
Nick Whitelegg wrote: Another thing about the 2006 map is that many of the ways that definitely were there then. e.g. http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#14/51.0523/-0.7374 This is the Fernhurst area, West Sussex. There should be a primary road north to south and many more footpaths Primary and secondary roads seem to be particularly prone to being missing. I think they were always highway=primary so not sure why that is. Yes, a lot of data that definitely was there seems to be missing. Another example is by Andreas in Vienna: http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#14/48.1982/16.2975 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Vienna-2006-07-04.png This probably comes from errors in either API 0.3 to 0.6 coversion, or in cutting out american data. IZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
Frederik Ramm wrote: I happen to have a number of really old PostgreSQL databases lying around and I tried to quickly expose them to anyone who would like to have a go at rendering old maps. Caveat: These *only* cover the non US part of the planet (the databases were created for animation purposes and at the time, US data was plentiful but relatively static and therefore useless for animations). Thanks, here is the map for August 2006: http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#6/53.462/5.087 No point in comparing it to the modern one, I guess. IZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
Il giorno 25/ago/2014, alle ore 12:55, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru ha scritto: Thanks, here is the map for August 2006: http://osmz.ru/osm2006.html#6/53.462/5.08 interesting, thanks for posting this. I have two remarks why it seems missleading for the less informed: - the coastline is more recent than 2006 - you have kept the external data from natural earth (builtup areas for midzoom) So actually in 2006 there was even less map than it appears ;-) cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
On Monday 25 August 2014, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: - the coastline is more recent than 2006 Since August 2006 seems to have been around the time when coastline mapping started there probably was hardly any data. In case this is of interest, the oldest coastline node currently used seems to be http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12183965 mapped as part of a man_made=pier originally. The earliest PGS imported node still in use apparently is http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/13491356 -- Christoph Hormann http://www.imagico.de/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
This is Stockholm in 2006: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stockholm-Openstreetmap.png On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2014-08-04 18:27, Clifford Snow wrote: I'm looking for some images of early OSM maps. Thanks to Martijn Exel, we have http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#10/52.2644/5.2899 [1], the Then and Now from 2007 to current. But I'd really like some images of the very earliest OSM maps. As many others are doing, Seattle is holding an anniversary celebration with speakers, pizza and cake. Right now we have over 50 people signed up to attend. Many new to OSM. I'd like to give a sense of what it was like 10 years ago. The wiki has timelines, which I plan to use, but I couldn't find any images. Steve C told me he doesn't keep any, so I'm throwing a wide net to the community for help. If you can supply some images, please give me a frame of reference to what the images shows and when. There are a lot of images in the wiki, have a look at [1]. I don't know if it is still possible to reconstruct a planet from pre-redaction changesets [2], otherwise you can use that to make some tiles. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Rendered_OSM_data [2] http://planet.openstreetmap.org/cc-by-sa/ Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
On 04.08.2014 21:24, Paul Norman wrote: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KT13_Area.4.png is the oldest published map from OSM I know of, back in 2006. That's interesting! Didn't know about that one. The oldest ones I was aware of are the Featured Images, running from September 2006 to this day: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_images ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
Hi Clifford, There's not early maps here, but Pascal neis recently worked out some great statistics concerning the age of OSM data: http://neis-one.org/2014/07/age-of-osm-objects/ These may provide a useful parallel to any early tiles; if nothing else they should show you something about the amount of data that exists from these early days. Cheers, Joseph On 4 August 2014 17:27, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I'm looking for some images of early OSM maps. Thanks to Martijn Exel, we have http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#10/52.2644/5.2899, the Then and Now from 2007 to current. But I'd really like some images of the very earliest OSM maps. As many others are doing, Seattle is holding an anniversary celebration with speakers, pizza and cake. Right now we have over 50 people signed up to attend. Many new to OSM. I'd like to give a sense of what it was like 10 years ago. The wiki has timelines, which I plan to use, but I couldn't find any images. Steve C told me he doesn't keep any, so I'm throwing a wide net to the community for help. If you can supply some images, please give me a frame of reference to what the images shows and when. Once I get a breather, I will add the images to the wiki to help with the history of the project. Thanks, Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
I'm looking for some images of early OSM maps. Thanks to Martijn Exel, we have http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#10/52.2644/5.2899, the Then and Now from 2007 to current. But I'd really like some images of the very earliest OSM maps. As many others are doing, Seattle is holding an anniversary celebration with speakers, pizza and cake. Right now we have over 50 people signed up to attend. Many new to OSM. I'd like to give a sense of what it was like 10 years ago. The wiki has timelines, which I plan to use, but I couldn't find any images. Steve C told me he doesn't keep any, so I'm throwing a wide net to the community for help. If you can supply some images, please give me a frame of reference to what the images shows and when. Once I get a breather, I will add the images to the wiki to help with the history of the project. Thanks, Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
On 2014-08-04 18:27, Clifford Snow wrote: I'm looking for some images of early OSM maps. Thanks to Martijn Exel, we have http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#10/52.2644/5.2899 [1], the Then and Now from 2007 to current. But I'd really like some images of the very earliest OSM maps. As many others are doing, Seattle is holding an anniversary celebration with speakers, pizza and cake. Right now we have over 50 people signed up to attend. Many new to OSM. I'd like to give a sense of what it was like 10 years ago. The wiki has timelines, which I plan to use, but I couldn't find any images. Steve C told me he doesn't keep any, so I'm throwing a wide net to the community for help. If you can supply some images, please give me a frame of reference to what the images shows and when. There are a lot of images in the wiki, have a look at [1]. I don't know if it is still possible to reconstruct a planet from pre-redaction changesets [2], otherwise you can use that to make some tiles. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Rendered_OSM_data [2] http://planet.openstreetmap.org/cc-by-sa/ Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
On 4 Aug 2014 18:33, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: I'm looking for some images of early OSM maps. Thanks to Martijn Exel, we have http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#10/52.2644/5.2899, the Then and Now from 2007 to current. But I'd really like some images of the very earliest OSM maps. As many others are doing, Seattle is holding an anniversary celebration with speakers, pizza and cake. Right now we have over 50 people signed up to attend. Many new to OSM. I'd like to give a sense of what it was like 10 years ago. The wiki has timelines, which I plan to use, but I couldn't find any images. Steve C told me he doesn't keep any, so I'm throwing a wide net to the community for help. If you can supply some images, please give me a frame of reference to what the images shows and when. I did some rendering with osm-history-renderer ( https://github.com/MaZderMind/osm-history-renderer) some time ago from an extract of the history dump. iirc it arrived before the redaction. Once I get a breather, I will add the images to the wiki to help with the history of the project. Thanks, Clifford Regards, Stefano -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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On 8/4/2014 10:12 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: I don't know if it is still possible to reconstruct a planet from pre-redaction changesets [2], The redaction doesn't matter for reconstructing old data - for pre-2007 we're talking API v0.3 data or earlier, with segments. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KT13_Area.4.png is the oldest published map from OSM I know of, back in 2006. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Am 04.08.2014 18:27, schrieb Clifford Snow: But I'd really like some images of the very earliest OSM maps. There is a animated gif of Munich available in the OSM wiki: Ein animiertes Bild http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Munich_0608to0709b_small.gif zeigt die ersten Entwicklungen innerhalb nur 13 Monaten (August 2006 - September 2007). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Munich_0608to0709b_small.gif BTW: don't be surprised, Munich had a very good progress already in these early days! Cheers, Michael. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Hey Here's a screenshot from the original OSM website rendering, late 2005 or early 2006 http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social/img/old-rendering.png An early editor http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social/img/Editnames.png The cake diagram from Isle of Wight http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social/img/143693558_c4a3905f1a_z.jpg These and other bits of history from my presentation at State of Map US in 2013 http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68093881 http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social -Mikel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Very interesting - Time to get nostalgic as the 10th birthday is coming up :) Has someone else old OSM screenshots or photos to share of the first days? I'm curious... Alex On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Mikel Maron mikel.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Here's a screenshot from the original OSM website rendering, late 2005 or early 2006 http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social/img/old-rendering.png An early editor http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social/img/Editnames.png The cake diagram from Isle of Wight http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social/img/143693558_c4a3905f1a_z.jpg These and other bits of history from my presentation at State of Map US in 2013 http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68093881 http://files.groundtruth.in/presentations/sotmus2013-social -Mikel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Early History of OSM
Hi, On 08/04/2014 06:27 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: I'm looking for some images of early OSM maps. Thanks to Martijn Exel, we have http://mvexel.github.io/thenandnow/#10/52.2644/5.2899, the Then and Now from 2007 to current. But I'd really like some images of the very earliest OSM maps. Anyone who wants to really go down that road and has some time to spare would have to do roughly the following: * get very old planet file from http://planet.openstreetmap.org/cc-by-sa/ * potentially check out -r2744 of svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/osm-extract/planetosm-excerpt-area.pl and the libraries it refers in order to be able to cut out a rectangular section from your planet file * if you want to go the Mapnik route, either get very old matching osm2pgsql or, potentially better, use svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/conv05/04to05.pl to convert old data to a format readable by current osm2pgsql * alternatively and for extra authenticity, grab osmarender from SVN and run it over your data. You might even want to grab an old coastline data set from somewhere, or run Jochen's osmcoastline across the old planet file but maybe that would be pushing it ;) I happen to have a number of really old PostgreSQL databases lying around and I tried to quickly expose them to anyone who would like to have a go at rendering old maps. Caveat: These *only* cover the non US part of the planet (the databases were created for animation purposes and at the time, US data was plentiful but relatively static and therefore useless for animations). So if you want to render a historic map of your (non-US) area, grab mapnik and a style file and connect to the following: host name: skye.geofabrik.de port: 5432 user: guest password: guest for database name, use one of these for the respective snapshot: h060814 h060903 h061023 h061105 h061205 h070103 h070207 h070307 h070404 h070502 h070613 h070704 h070801 h070905 h071003 h071107 h071205 h080102 h080206 h080305 h080402 h080507 h080604 The data in these tables is organised in a way that matches today's style sheets, i.e. you will find columns like addr:housenumber even though you're unlikely to find data there. I can also supply SQL dumps of any of the above if desired. Bye Frederik In case you are reading this in a mailing list later - the above is a temporary service and will only be available for a few months after this announcement. -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
