Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

With great power comes great responsibility. When your first minor contributions are met with blunt reactions (however justified), then they are probably going to be your last. Saying things like "we're not complete idiots" or "it would be crazy to do this" is not the way to encourage people to

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

On 21/11/2017 13:47, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: I've posted a -dev mail about reusing nighttime of tile rendering servers. Some likes on GitHub, some reviews from passer-by's, no merge, nothing about "what to fix to get it merged". For a year. Patience you say?

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

On Tue, 21 Nov 2017 13:47:26 + Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: > Many words, long story short: technology-wise, OpenStreetMap core is > dead. This sounds bad and it is hard for me to discuss other examples, but in > "I'm worried about this. I have not performed a

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

On Tuesday 21 November 2017, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > You can mask the issue by saying "you have to be humble and listen to > others more and understand there is always somebody who know better", > but with that, you kill any trace of motivation to effect change in > OpenStreetMap. My suggestion to

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

I agree there are several parts of the OpenStreetMap software ecosystem where there's a healthy developer process. openstreetmap-carto and iD come to mind. Search and routing. Part of the issue with the main website -> it's a monolith, encompassing many different components. Sign up &

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

OSM isn't a closed system. I get the impression that it has evolved over time. There is a core database engine and then there seems to be addons. Lots of them like JOSM. The problem is if you touch something basic the interface may change for the addons and that's a big problem. Using XML helps

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

I think that developers of JOSM are another noteworthy exception to add along with openstreetmap-carto. Even if they break something, they are quick to respond, and it seems that there's always some work going on. But yes, I do share your feelings to a degree as well. People from many core OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

I am a developer. I should not be expected to learn Psychology 101 to improve OpenStreetMap. Funny you should say that...I had to take Psychology 101 for my CS degree. I see why now. On Nov 21, 2017 12:02 PM, "Ilya Zverev" wrote: > Christoph Hormann wrote: > > Oh come on.

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

Christoph Hormann wrote: > Oh come on. I've been a mapper since 2010, I've hosted dozens of > > events, I've written many articles and tools, some of which you might > > have used, I'm on the Board currently, and still my proposals and > > pull requests fail again and again, because there is

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

On 21 November 2017 at 14:47, Darafei "Komяpa" Praliaskouski wrote: > "I'm worried about this. I have not performed a technical review." as a > blocker for PR merge: > https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/pull/2939 > > Basically, most of wide ~2011 dev community

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

вс, 19 нояб. 2017 г. в 1:11, Christoph Hormann : > On Saturday 18 November 2017, Ilya Zverev wrote: > > john whelan wrote: > > > No you need to build up trust again and it takes time. Only then > > > will your ideas start to gain acceptance. > > > > Oh come on. I've been a

Re: [OSM-talk] Effecting change in OpenStreetMap

On Saturday 18 November 2017, Ilya Zverev wrote: > john whelan wrote: > > No you need to build up trust again and it takes time. Only then > > will your ideas start to gain acceptance. > > Oh come on. I've been a mapper since 2010, I've hosted dozens of > events, I've written many articles and