Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-12 Thread Dave F
On 11/08/2016 19:37, Michał Brzozowski wrote: Most of the area in city centers... is covered with townhouses with retail/service tenants residing at the ground level, rest of the building being residential. Therefore landuse=residential is more appropriate and is mapped so. I disagree with

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-12 Thread Elena ``of Valhalla''
On 2016-08-12 at 10:44:06 +0200, Maarten Deen wrote: > One suche lure will cost € 0,60 if you have to buy it using in-app purchases > and the money probably goes to Nintendo. probably to Niantic, who wrote the app, and not Nintendo (altought Nintendo may get a cut). Not that it's really relevant.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-12 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2016-08-12 09:48, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: On 11.08.2016 20:37, Michał Brzozowski wrote: ... The activity areas aren't merely about the usage itself, but, well, the activity - i.e. concentration of interesting places and number of people visiting them (or other similar popularity metric).

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-12 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
On 11.08.2016 20:37, Michał Brzozowski wrote: ... The activity areas aren't merely about the usage itself, but, well, the activity - i.e. concentration of interesting places and number of people visiting them (or other similar popularity metric). I saw recently a documentary about the phenomenon

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 ago 2016, alle ore 18:03, David Fisher ha > scritto: > > Out of interest, do you also take issue with the central point of my > last post -- that "landuse=retail" polygons may be seen as a similar > sort of concept to Google's beige

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 ago 2016, alle ore 18:03, David Fisher ha > scritto: > > Maybe I was unclear, or maybe we're talking at cross-purposes yes, I think I got you wrong in your first mail, because it used to be common (and maybe still is in some places)

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-11 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM, David Fisher wrote: > Out of interest, do you also take issue with the central point of my > last post -- that "landuse=retail" polygons may be seen as a similar > sort of concept to Google's beige areas? (assuming such polygons are > placed

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-11 Thread David Fisher
Maybe I was unclear, or maybe we're talking at cross-purposes (or maybe I'm just wrong!). You're quite right, a fair share of built-up areas are residential -- I would go further and say that the *majority* of built-up areas are residential! But I don't mean using a single giant polygon to

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 11 ago 2016, alle ore 15:10, David Fisher ha > scritto: > > (I'm also a fan of > "landuse=residential" polygons to highlight built-up areas, though I > know some OSM-ers disagree.) I believe most OSMers, including the wiki, disagree.

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-11 Thread David Fisher
I too am a fan of the new Google Maps colour scheme -- and it's very interesting that they've gone for a similar scheme to the new (ish) OSM scheme! I've always thought of "landuse" as being equivalent to Google's beige "high activity" areas -- particularly "landuse=retail" to highlight town

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-08 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:36 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > Using colors like this is an excellent idea, however we shall not rely on > colors alone as several percent of people cannot distinguish colors due to > color blindness [1]. Besides, color blindness may

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-08 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
OSM could use as Michał suggested Wiki{pedia|data} tags. There is also /wikimedia_commons/ [1] tag and geographical coordinates from Wikipedia articles themselves easily available via MediaWIki API. I wrote a web-application which displays either Wikipedia articles on the map, or OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-08 Thread Janko Mihelić
I'm guessing Google is not only using POIs, but several other sources, like geo Tweets, got tagged photos put up on Google+, and so on. I think they are trying to make it easy for tourists to find the "in" spots where something is happening. If you're trying to find a nice restaurant, night club,

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-08 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
Using colors like this is an excellent idea, however we shall not rely on colors alone as several percent of people cannot distinguish colors due to color blindness [1]. Besides, color blindness may develop with an advanced age, so no one is color-safe. We do not hear often about color

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Il giorno 07 ago 2016, alle ore 01:43, Michał Brzozowski > ha scritto: > > Now, traditional topo maps use building type attribute for this, eg. > Polish ones use dark brown for public/retail buildings, orange for > residential, violet for industrial

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-07 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: >So it's a heatmap for POI's? A thresholded heatmap, maybe. But really the area thingy seen on zooms lower than buildings is a concave hull on slightly expanded outlines of "interesting" buildings (as I said the ones which

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-07 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2016-08-07 08:29, Michał Brzozowski wrote: On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: I don't know if I understand you right, but different colors for different purposes is hardly an innovation. You haven't got the point I guess. The new thing is that this

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-07 Thread Michał Brzozowski
On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Maarten Deen wrote: > I don't know if I understand you right, but different colors for different > purposes is hardly an innovation. You haven't got the point I guess. The new thing is that this process is carried out automatically (for most

Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-07 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2016-08-07 01:43, Michał Brzozowski wrote: There has been an update to Google Maps styling [1] and I have to say, they left me impressed. The overall look is cleaner, which is very welcome after a series of disappointing changes, but the thing I consider very innovative is how buildings (and

[OSM-talk] New Google Maps style - interesting cartographic innovation

2016-08-06 Thread Michał Brzozowski
There has been an update to Google Maps styling [1] and I have to say, they left me impressed. The overall look is cleaner, which is very welcome after a series of disappointing changes, but the thing I consider very innovative is how buildings (and on lower zooms - areas) with lots of