Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-09 Thread Christoph Hormann
On Saturday 09 May 2015, Frederik Ramm wrote: Yes, as far as I can see many people have tried to influence Xxzme's behaviour over the last half year and none have succeeded; as things are my impression is we have a choice of accepting them like they are or asking them to leave. Yes it would

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-09 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 09.05.2015 10:08, Christoph Hormann wrote: The problem is not exclusively Xxzme's attitude but also the combination with the dominance of his/her/their edits due to the large amount of energy and time spent. I fully agree with that. Xxzme is not the first wiki user who has tried to push

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
The wiki's decreasing level of edit energy, combined with it's increasing reach is a problem. Wiki text now appears directly in dozens of automated editing and QA tools. With JOSM style presets, there's a filter between activity on the wiki and what gets wider coverage. With iD style automatic

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
There's another problem page at OpenStreetMap is a social activity. Sigh. Lots of good cleanup edits. Lots of blundering elephant edits. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
More on this issue at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:OpenStreetMap_is_a_social_activity#Deletion ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Warin
On 9/05/2015 7:57 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 05/08/2015 08:00 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: There's another problem page at OpenStreetMap is a social activity. Sigh. Lots of good cleanup edits. Lots of blundering elephant edits. Yes, it doesn't feel good to point fingers at individuals but

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
If you look at the edit history, there's evidence of more than one user ID showing a supporting pattern of edits. This too is concerning. -- The irony is a non-social editor creating a page about OpenStreetMap is a social activity. At this point it's an edit war, one that user Xxzme seems to

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread jgpacker
This community would loose possibly valuable contributions from him if this were to occur. But at the same time, other wiki editors are leaving because of their stressful time in the wiki (I know at least two... it's not an exaggeration). A better outcome would be a more conciliatory

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I think that interacting with so many members of the community on such a scale as Xxzme does is at least *difficult* and prone to more friction if all you're willing to give away is a user name. It's harder to be part of

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread pmailkeey .
On 8 May 2015 at 23:27, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: On 9/05/2015 7:57 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I appreciate that Xxzme has spent a lot of time trying to make the Wiki better and I believe they did manage to make improvements, but looking at the complete picture I would politely

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/08/2015 08:00 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: There's another problem page at OpenStreetMap is a social activity. Sigh. Lots of good cleanup edits. Lots of blundering elephant edits. Yes, it doesn't feel good to point fingers at individuals but I, too, have the impression that Xxzme's

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-08 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/09/2015 12:27 AM, Warin wrote: This is compounded by Xxzme, unlike most other contributors to the Wiki, not caring to share any personal information about them - not their real name, not where they live or what they like. This is not a condition for participation on a normal scale,

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-07 Thread jgpacker
Warning: The email below is a rant. If you don't want to get stressed, don't read it. Like SomeoneElse, I'm not too happy with the state of the wiki right now. Right now in the wiki, there is an elephant in the room... He is actively editing the wiki for close to an year, has strong opinions and

[OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-07 Thread SomeoneElse
On 07/05/2015 12:03, Simon Poole wrote: I'm really not sure what this discussion is doing on tagging and have redirected follow ups to talk (it has in the matter of a few mails already gone substantially off-topic though). The page in question is actually a fork of

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-07 Thread Maarten Deen
On 2015-05-07 14:58, Richard Z. wrote: Do we really need http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=POI:Loblawsredirect=no Please no. That should be discouraged. One issue that I have - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges displays only the changes for the

Re: [OSM-talk] Problems with the wiki (was Why OSM and not another collaborative mapping service?)

2015-05-07 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 12:49:40PM +0100, SomeoneElse wrote: This page is an excellent example of what can go wrong with the OSM wiki. Yet another example why the wiki needs some love. If random edits like this are allowed to continue*** it'll devalue the wiki even more as a resource. I'm