Re: [talk-au] Cullerin Wind Farm (NSW)

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Tue, 11/8/09, j...@talk21.com wrote: > It took a full two hour walk from where I parked to visit > each tower and get back. Wow, that's dedication :) Nice work on it too, but most wind farms I've seen were on private property, except a lone one near a majorish road in Newcastle, so n

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Yeah, completely understand your > stance on it mate. In the end I'd probably keep using > Google anyway because most of my route planning is on > unmapped roads. If they're mapped chances are > they're too busy for a cyclist or I've already be

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-10 Thread Liz
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > Perhaps I should clarify a few points, this could be seen in the same light > as any local sports or scouting club, the club focuses on the main activity > and the legal entity is a means to an end, or in their cases a way to get > public liability insurance

[talk-au] Cullerin Wind Farm (NSW)

2009-08-10 Thread jhen
Any one else managed to document one of these? http://osm.org/go/uNwf9zFM-- It took a full two hour walk from where I parked to visit each tower and get back. John ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.

Re: [talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
Perhaps I should clarify a few points, this could be seen in the same light as any local sports or scouting club, the club focuses on the main activity and the legal entity is a means to an end, or in their cases a way to get public liability insurance. Also we can probably borrow an accountan

Re: [talk-au] Updating the Australian Tagging Guidelines

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Liz wrote: > seems clear enough to me > > but it may not be clear enough to others :-( The best way to approach this would be to try explaining it to someone not familiar with OSM and see if they come to the same conclusion. _

[talk-au] OSM representation in Australia

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
Just to let everyone know what's happening, the guy I work for has become interested in both helping the community and to get into selling mapping services. He also has numerous business connections. There has already been some unofficial talks with a company that makes phone handsets with GPS

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread b . schulz . 10
Yeah, completely understand your stance on it mate. In the end I'd probably keep using Google anyway because most of my route planning is on unmapped roads. If they're mapped chances are they're too busy for a cyclist or I've already been there :p. Just throwing ideas around as usual. - Or

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Under the search box seems like a > logical place, even if the Events section needs to be moved > down. Would it be hard to have the search results come up > then once a route is calculated have the results disappear > and have the distance/di

Re: [talk-au] Updating the Australian Tagging Guidelines

2009-08-10 Thread Liz
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > The current use of highway=residential/highway=unclassified is almost on > par with what the germans use it for, it is the lowest road used for the > interconnecting grid, residential is usually the lowest in towns/cities and > track is the lowest everywhere

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread b . schulz . 10
Under the search box seems like a logical place, even if the Events section needs to be moved down. Would it be hard to have the search results come up then once a route is calculated have the results disappear and have the distance/directions shown there? I think this link will work, it's an e

[talk-au] Updating the Australian Tagging Guidelines

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
The current use of highway=residential/highway=unclassified is almost on par with what the germans use it for, it is the lowest road used for the interconnecting grid, residential is usually the lowest in towns/cities and track is the lowest everywhere. Can someone suggest changes to the taggi

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Is it hard to calculate a route distance and display that? route distance is known, displaying it in a "nice" way is another matter, are you or anyone else able to do a mock up design on how you think this could be displayed? Also the rout

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread b . schulz . 10
Very nice :). Is it hard to calculate a route distance and display that? - Original Message - From: John Smith Date: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 2:04 am Subject: Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org > > --- On Mon, 10/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au > wrote: > > > Wo

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Liz wrote: > then we have the same problem as the Germans > where path is path for feet > cycleway is path for bicycles > and you cannot assume that it is shared at all and you cannot assume it isn't shared either, people may not tag all uses because they think it is impli

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Liz wrote: > highways are in contrast to byways > where the highway is the main road > but discussing the etymology isn't going to help OSM sort > out why and how to > tag Words change, sometimes into the complete opposite of their original meaning, I don't think we shoul

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: > Nice work Liz, thought I might comment on just a few things you raised. not my work Roy!! -- BOFH excuse #297: Too many interrupts ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Liz
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Stephen Hope wrote: > Umm, not the case at all. Highway= comes from the old english use, > where highway means "way/path/track you use to get somewhere". highways are in contrast to byways where the highway is the main road but discussing the etymology isn't going to help OSM

Re: [talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Liz wrote: > SUMMARY > > Trying to keep my comment general at first to find what are the needs: > what should be in the highway tag and what are "local factors". This > turned into a stream of thoughts but hopefully coherent enough to > breed some more refined thoug

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Stephen Hope
Umm, not the case at all. Highway= comes from the old english use, where highway means "way/path/track you use to get somewhere". These days we assume roads and cars, but that's not the way it was originally designed. Stephen 2009/8/10 John Smith : > To play devils advocate here for a second, sh

[talk-au] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway

2009-08-10 Thread Liz
SUMMARY -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: [OSM-talk] Proliferation of path vs. footway Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 From: Lauri Kytömaa To: t...@openstreetmap.org Nop wrote: >I think we should step back one step. >The discussion here seems about to fall victim to the same mechanisms

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Liz
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > > In NSW a "shared path" means foot=yes, bicycle=yes. The default in NSW > > for highway=footway (or highway=path) is bicycle=no (same as the OSM > > conventions). > > No, highway=path does not imply bicy

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Roy Wallace
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 6:54 AM, Ben Kelley wrote: > > In NSW a "shared path" means foot=yes, bicycle=yes. The default in NSW for > highway=footway (or highway=path) is bicycle=no (same as the OSM > conventions). No, highway=path does not imply bicycle=no (please see the wiki page). _

Re: [talk-au] For those organising mapping parties...

2009-08-10 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. FYI there is a forum for Geocaching Australia at http://forum.geocaching.com.au/ - Ben. 2009/8/10 John Smith > > I've had a couple of nibbles from posting an event on Geocaching.com, and > even if they don't turn up they become aware of OSM's existence. I've had no > feed back from the em

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. In NSW a "shared path" means foot=yes, bicycle=yes. The default in NSW for highway=footway (or highway=path) is bicycle=no (same as the OSM conventions). - Ben. 2009/8/10 Evan Sebire > > On Monday 10 Aug 2009 02:01:25 John Smith wrote: > > --- On Sun, 9/8/09, Ben Kelley wrote: > > > A no

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Would you be aiming to, eventually, programme it to set > start/stop points via a click on the map? Basically the only You can now do pointy clicky routing. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-a

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Liz
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: > --- On Sun, 9/8/09, Ben Kelley wrote: > > A normal road: > > bicycle=unspecified or no > > As I said, I don't cycle much so I'm just trying to think through the > possibilities, if you're looking for a primary purpose maybe that's how to > look at this. > >

[talk-au] JOSM patches

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
I received notification that a couple more of my patches have been included in JOSM/validator plugin. No idea when there will be a new tested/stable version, but it seems there is a new latest version on the JOSM site. ___ Talk-au mailing li

Re: [talk-au] multiple gpses(sp?)

2009-08-10 Thread Darrin Smith
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:44:05 +1000 Franc Carter wrote: > Due to a recent carputer project, I know map with two gpses. Looking > at the traces in josm > they are slightly offset from each other (more than the couple of > centimeters that separates > there antennas). > > My inclination is to uploa

Re: [talk-au] multiple gpses(sp?)

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, Franc Carter wrote: > reasonable ? Pretty much what I do, when I have multiple GPS' logging. They don't always agree but it gives you more options when they don't. Also just because the antennas are close, don't mean they have gotten the exact same signal from the same s

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
--- On Mon, 10/8/09, b.schulz...@scu.edu.au wrote: > Well, your search certainly works > *much* faster than the namefinder search on I can cheat with town names, Australia has just under 10,000 localities, although it's still expensive to do a wildcard text search on all highways. > yournav

[talk-au] multiple gpses(sp?)

2009-08-10 Thread Franc Carter
Due to a recent carputer project, I know map with two gpses. Looking at the traces in josm they are slightly offset from each other (more than the couple of centimeters that separates there antennas). My inclination is to upload both sets of tracks and use the average of the two as the position as

Re: [talk-au] Webpage layout

2009-08-10 Thread John Smith
I hacked in the routing code from http://yournavigation.org/ into the website. This is a php layer between the web interface and gosmore routing engine. At this stage you can only get it to work by doing a place search a start link will appear next to the various links, and then do another sear

Re: [talk-au] Cycleway/footway/path

2009-08-10 Thread Evan Sebire
On Monday 10 Aug 2009 02:01:25 John Smith wrote: > --- On Sun, 9/8/09, Ben Kelley wrote: > > A normal road: > > bicycle=unspecified or no > > As I said, I don't cycle much so I'm just trying to think through the > possibilities, if you're looking for a primary purpose maybe that's how to > look a