Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads'

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Harvey
As you mention I can see these being useful for emergency services or anyone who has been granted access to private roads/tracks. If you're mapping based on what you can see from the aerial imagery, then I see no issue with mapping these as access=private. On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 at 09:46, Warin

Re: [talk-au] Mailing lists (was: Re: Discussion H: public transport – the end game)

2019-10-04 Thread Sebastian S.
I too stated that the way he perceives the mailing list and wrote about the interface being poor that this might be due to the email client or settings he is using. Unfortunately there was no reaction to this (as with most of the other post). I agree with Frederick that we should have more

Re: [talk-au] Mapping 'private roads'

2019-10-04 Thread Sebastian S.
I map them with access private because I can see them on aerial images and on the ground. If the path is e.g. behind a high hedge I will limit to the visible part or what I can see on aerial images. I think mapping these roads adds value for everyone who is trying to get to the particular

Re: [talk-au] Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law

2019-10-04 Thread Herbert.Remi via Talk-au
# Principle of tagging 1. Tagging should be consistent with the laws of the jurisdiction 2. Tagging should not be code but be explicit 3. Tagging should be useful 4. Tagging should be intuitive 5. Tagging should be easy (regional presets) I will comment on the first two. ## Principle 1 ONE set

[talk-au] Mapping 'private roads'

2019-10-04 Thread Warin
Hi, I am in 2 minds about this ... these roads exist so they can be seen. They might be usefull navigational features; firstly to plot progress along a public road - you have just past this private road so you must he here on the map. secondly for any emergency services - mainly thinking of

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andy Townsend
On 04/10/2019 12:46, Andrew Davidson wrote: I think at one point footway was assumed to be paved and path unpaved. I think that it's actually a bit more complicated than that.  The "standard" style on OpenStreetMap.org changed to displaying footway and path the same because it was clear

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Davidson
On 4/10/19 5:20 pm, Andrew Harvey wrote: though for something that's unpaved then highway=path and highway=footway mean the same thing to me. I think at one point footway was assumed to be paved and path unpaved. The default now appears to be unpaved for both as they are rendered the same.

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Warin
On 04/10/19 17:20, Andrew Harvey wrote: Fair points, so I agree to revert back the previous guidelines. I see highway=path used a lot for unsignposted bush walking track (single person wide, definitely not wide enough for vehicles), though for something that's unpaved then highway=path and

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Harvey
Fair points, so I agree to revert back the previous guidelines. I see highway=path used a lot for unsignposted bush walking track (single person wide, definitely not wide enough for vehicles), though for something that's unpaved then highway=path and highway=footway mean the same thing to me. On

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:30 PM Andrew Harvey wrote: > I'm mildly for reverting, although I'm happy to hear out arguments either > way and be proven wrong. > Up until May this year path meant an unsealed "track" that was too small for vehicles (or at least that's how mappers were using them) now

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Harvey
I'm mildly for reverting, although I'm happy to hear out arguments either way and be proven wrong. - The footpath which runs along side the road which is not explicitly signposted for bicycles should be highway=footway + footway=sidewalk, even in states where you can ride on the footpath, as it's

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Ewen Hill
Yes it does - sorry - I read that incorrectly by not reading the second part. On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 16:17, Andrew Davidson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:13 PM Ewen Hill wrote: > >> Daniel, >>I thought it was 250watts for e-bikes (a European standard now >> basically global) so the book

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:06 PM Daniel O'Connor wrote: > +1. > > Do have to amend the bits around not legal for SA cyclists to be on > footpaths given > https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/23438/DPTI-Cycling-and-the-Law-Booklet.pdf > These days it might be easier to say everywhere

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 4:13 PM Ewen Hill wrote: > Daniel, >I thought it was 250watts for e-bikes (a European standard now > basically global) so the book may be incorrect anyway > > Isn't that what it says on page 3? ___ Talk-au mailing list

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Ewen Hill
Daniel, I thought it was 250watts for e-bikes (a European standard now basically global) so the book may be incorrect anyway Ewen On Fri, 4 Oct 2019 at 16:07, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > +1. > > Do have to amend the bits around not legal for SA cyclists to be on > footpaths given >

Re: [talk-au] Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law

2019-10-04 Thread Ewen Hill
Herbert, Having a look at your selection clauses below, the node and relation are probably not required. You may also want to look at way["highway"="cycleway"] and way["bicycle"="designated"] (regardless of highway type) I have also used styling so you can quickly see what the issues (real

Re: [talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Daniel O'Connor
+1. Do have to amend the bits around not legal for SA cyclists to be on footpaths given https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0020/23438/DPTI-Cycling-and-the-Law-Booklet.pdf On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:31 PM Andrew Davidson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:09 PM Herbert.Remi via Talk-au <

[talk-au] Undiscussed edits to Australian Tagging Guidelines on tagging footpaths/cycleways (Was: Discussion D: mapping ACT for cyclists – complying with ACT law)

2019-10-04 Thread Andrew Davidson
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 3:09 PM Herbert.Remi via Talk-au < talk-au@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > There are almost no paths in the ACT compliant with Australian Tagging > Guidelines > Thanks for bringing that to our attention. Turns out that a "helpful" wiki user radically changed the suggested way