On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 11:19 AM, David dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
Waldo, you suggest that people mapping dirt roads (and others?) need to
record every relevant characteristic of that road.
No, no one NEEDS to record EVERY characteristic (though that would be
great, obviously). All I
Waldo, you suggest that people mapping dirt roads (and others?) need to record
every relevant characteristic of that road. If I was employing mappers to do
that, i could write their KPIs and call them into my office every three months
and discuss progress, it might work. It would have to be, of
For a subjective tag, verifiability is more difficult and would normally
be statistical e.g. Recommended or Yes could be defined as, say, 95%
of the target population successfully pass through. Assuming of course
such information is avaialble.
If such information is available, then the
4wd tracks ? There are simply too many factors at play here for us to
measure, should we measure the height or spacing of corrugations, the
'softness' of sand, the depth of run outs, the narrowness, the slope, the
wetness of the mud, the effect of weather on the track ?
Well, what
I think in parts of this discussion we are confusing grouping and
categorisation of facts with subjectivity and information loss.
For example, ski runs are categorised into Green/Blue/Black runs. A run
may be classified as black if it exceeds a certain narrowness, or a certain
roughness, or a
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Ken Self kens...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Just jumping in here with some ideas. If you have an objective tag it is a
function of the track. But if you have a subjective tag then it is a
function of the user of the road/track.
A tag that is true for some and
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 6:59 PM, kristy van putten
kristy.vanput...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Aussie OSM people!
I would like to introduce myself, my name is Kristy Van Putten and I am
currently living and working for the Australian Government in Indonesia as
a the Spatial Analyst. Over the last
. a River could be defined in terms of its long
term annual flow rate
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Ah, waldo00, I guess I may have jumped the gun a bit, sorry ! I
initially misread your message as saying subjective tags are a no-no.
Can I paraphrase you ? Use objective tags if possible, then, if
necessary, subjective ones determined by some sound guidelines
documented on the wiki ?
We are
and No and
treat the conditions as recommendations
My $0.02
Ken
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Ah
mapping GPS types.
Cheers
Brett Russell
Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 15:48:21 +1000
From: dban...@internode.on.net
To: kristy.vanput...@gmail.com
CC: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government
Kristy, you have spotted the problem, no clear acceptance of any one
On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Ian Sergeant inas66+...@gmail.com wrote:
But your overall point is surely that as long as we have the basics, if some
group of people want the extra information and are willing to gather it, and
some other group of people want to use the information and are
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 9:37 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Sometimes people think that it's better to slice up information into
lots of little objective facts, like (in the case of mountain bike
trails), width, surface, grade, etc, rather than a subjective fact
like trail
I am not sure I agree with you Waldo.. (???).
Its useful in my opinion when ever storing data (of any nature) to think
about how that data will be used. While we will often find other use
cases later on, addressing the primary one is important.
I think very few users of map data are
David, to me your response seems to be mostly in agreement with what I
said. On what point, exactly, do you disagree?
Do you at least agree that a useful tag is one whose meaning is either 1)
immediately obvious (e.g. like width=*) OR 2) clearly/objectively described
in the wiki?
On Tue, May
Hi all,
This is a really interesting discussion, and thanks for the insights
about Australia vs Europe vs US. A few comments:
1) I think TileMill/MapBox will be a game changer for the rendering
guys won't listen to us problem. I suspect it will soon be much, much
easier to have lots of
On 10/05/13 17:01, Steve Bennett wrote:
1) I think TileMill/MapBox will be a game changer for the rendering
guys won't listen to us problem. I suspect it will soon be much, much
easier to have lots of different map views out there, and we can
create Australian-specific maps easily. So we
From: David [mailto:dban...@internode.on.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: [talk-au] OpenStreetMap in Government
Further, so much OSM data ends up in a psql database, one
column per tag. Believe it or not, psql does not like having column
names start with numerals
On 10 May 2013 17:01, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
3) There are decades of practice in cartography to learn from. We
might as well go with existing practice in current 4WD maps. The
standard distinctions seem to be something like 4WD/2WD/dirt/sealed,
and sometimes one more
Kristy, you have spotted the problem, no clear acceptance of any one standard
when it comes to 4wd tracks. And while its being done a number of different
ways (or not done at all) we have little chance of getting the rendering people
to listen to us.
In western Europe, little interest,
Hi David,
Thanks for sending me to the website it was an interesting read. I like the 8
divisions, and think it should be explored and socialised more.
One way of fixing the rendering problem is to render it specially for 4WD and
or Cycle. http://www.opencyclemap.org/. We could agree on a
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your insight, I knew Australia was one of the hardest hit when the
licensed changed over, but glad to see that there are people out there willing
to continue mapping!
Licensing is a big issue, and will be definitely one of the top things I will
need to consider when I get
I'm also very interested in 4wd trails - it's what 80% of my mapping
consists of I think (that, and house numbers in the inner north of
Melbourne)
The current 4wd_only tag was one of the tags I proposed a few years ago
- there was a massive barney at the time over the smoothness=* and
Hi Matt,
I think your conclusions is right, that we need to put an Australian standard
together. It sounds like the ground work has been done (maybe even multiple
times) but there has not been a clear acceptance of any particular schema.
How do you think we should go forward with this? My
On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:29 PM, kristy van putten
kristy.vanput...@gmail.com wrote:
On a personal note I would be interested in hearing more about the OSM
Australia activities, and people current goals with OSM.
I have read about the Bicentennial National Trail team, has anyone thought
of 4WD
Hi Aussie OSM people!
I would like to introduce myself, my name is Kristy Van Putten and I am
currently living and working for the Australian Government in Indonesia as
a the Spatial Analyst. Over the last 2 years I have been managing the
implementation of OSM across Indonesia in partnership
Hi,
I work in the property valuation industry, and have a strong interest in
mapping buildings, leisure areas like swimming pols or tennis courts and
more...
How did you sell the idea of mapping buildings in your recent project? I
have done what I can, but it is a hard slog to map my own city
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