[talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
I recently started adding data to OSM, but one thing that caused me a little confusion was the fact that one of the towns I was mapping round has a river running through it, but there is no river plotted on the map, and now that I think about it some of the dams don't have rivers/water ways sho

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ian Sergeant
Delta Foxtrot > I recently started adding data to OSM, Welcome. > but one thing that caused me > a little confusion was the fact that one of the towns I was mapping > round has a river running through it, but there is no river plotted > on the map, and now that I think about it some of the dams

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ian Sergeant wrote: > Waterways should be mapped Sometimes > landsat or yahoo imagery can help. What's the url for landsat or how do I make use of it, yahoo images are pretty course in rural areas from what I've seen so far. > Sometime the ABS suburb/town divisions foll

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ian Sergeant
Delta Foxtrot wrote: > What's the url for landsat or how do I make use of it, yahoo images > are pretty course in rural areas from what I've seen so far. They are. I guess this is one of the reasons why your waterway hasn't been mapped. If you are using potlatch, then the options menu allows y

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ian Sergeant wrote: > If you are using potlatch, then the options menu allows you > to select a > background layer.  Don't count on landsat being > acccurate enough for your > purposes either. landsat doesn't seem to be an option, unless I'm over looking something, only

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ian Sergeant
Delta Foxtrot wrote on 20/05/2009 10:27:35 AM: > landsat doesn't seem to be an option, unless I'm over looking > something, only yahoo a few OSM options out of copyright and open topo. I hadn't tried it for a while, but it appears that you are correct. From reading a few emails, it appears the

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
> >> So what is the problem you are having, if not with the >> location or the tag? > > Making a river look like a river... Put more nodes in the way that shows the river. Had a look at what you have done but given the lack of hi-res images from yahoo there is not much else that can be done. >>

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Put more nodes in the way that shows the river.  Had a > look at what you > have done but given the lack of hi-res images from yahoo > there is not much > else that can be done. I'm curious as to why yahoo sat images can be used and google ones can't

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ian Sergeant wrote: > You may want to consider JOSM.  It allows you to lock > the imagery scale at > the best available, and then zoom in.  Sometimes that > makes things easier, > and I'm not sure if potlatch can do that.  Still, I > would have thought that > survey and in

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ian Sergeant
Delta Foxtrot wrote: > I'm curious as to why yahoo sat images can be used and google ones can't? Yahoo have sent an OSM contributor an email, confirming that their imagery is okay for use in the way OSM uses it. Google have not given their permission, and have given informal statements to the e

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > The source tag is part of the OSM data not part of the GPS > information, > have a look at the source tag on Glen Innes Road. I thought information could be included in the GPX files that would be imported by something, JOSM or OSM itself? > I use a

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
> --- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > >> The source tag is part of the OSM data not part of the GPS >> information, >> have a look at the source tag on Glen Innes Road. > > I thought information could be included in the GPX files that would be > imported by something, JOSM or OSM itself? A

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > AFAIK it is only lat, long and elevation data.  How > did you enter the name > and surface tags for the ways.  The source tag is the > same. GPX files can contain a lot of data and meta data, the schema for GPX 1.1 can be found here: http://www.topog

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Ian Sergeant wrote: > I would leave the river running down the centre, and mark > the "lake" area > polygons with natural=water.   You can also > use waterway=riverbank to draw > a wider river.  See how other people have tagged other > rivers. Just looking at, I think, the

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ian Sergeant
Delta Foxtrot wrote on 20/05/2009 03:36:26 PM: > Just looking at, I think, the Clarence river near Grafton: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-29.6174 &lon=152.9053&zoom=14&layers=B000FTF > > The river banks are listed as natural=coastline > > Which is the better/correct way to do it? There

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Ross Scanlon
>> AFAIK it is only lat, long and elevation data.  How >> did you enter the name >> and surface tags for the ways.  The source tag is the >> same. > GPX files can contain a lot of data and meta data, the schema for GPX 1.1 > can be found here: http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 Well aware of that,

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-19 Thread Stephen Hope
To get imagery in Josm, you need to use the WMS menu at the top to add an imagery layer. You may need to set it up first with some plug-ins. It is certainly possible, though. Stephen 2009/5/20 Delta Foxtrot : > > > I tried JSOM briefly the other day but the entire background was black and > ma

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
> I've drawn, probably wrong, at least one round about already, but that isn't > what I meant, I meant for uniform round abouts a few different round about > sizes would make less work for people. > I gather you mean the way at the intersection of Gwydir Highway and Byron Street. A few thing

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > You could also probably half the number of nodes in the way > as well, generally you only need 8 nodes to create a > suitable roundabout on the map.  One at each entry for > four streets and one between each street entry.  Have a > look at the ones I poi

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Wed, 20 May 2009 02:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Delta Foxtrot wrote: > > --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > You could also probably half the number of nodes in the way > > as well, generally you only need 8 nodes to create a > > suitable roundabout on the map.  One at each entry for > > four

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > Well aware of that, I've been using them for osm uploads > for 2-3years. > However osm only uses a very limited set so lat, long and > elev are all > that is currently used by osm, you have to enter all other > tags manually. After trawling for a bit I

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > After trawling for a bit I came across this: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Surveyor > > Pity they didn't document what they did specifically. Actually if meta information (POIs/Street names) were saved as an OSM file/format, JO

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread edodd
> > --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > >> Well aware of that, I've been using them for osm uploads >> for 2-3years. >> However osm only uses a very limited set so lat, long and >> elev are all >> that is currently used by osm, you have to enter all other >> tags manually. > > After trawlin

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-20 Thread delta_foxtrot
--- On Wed, 20/5/09, ed...@billiau.net wrote: > I've tried something like this in the car but daylight is > too bright to > see anything on the computer screen, and my sunglasses > don't have a > reading correction built in. You could get something like the Panasonic Toughbook which is designed

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-21 Thread Andy Owen
I have a nokia n810 which I have used on foot to edit a map in the middle of the day. I used osm2go: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/osm2go/ Which is actively developed, and lets you pick an area, download the osm data for it, make offline changes (with the gps on) and then upload it

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-21 Thread Sam Couter
Andy Owen wrote: > I have a nokia n810 which I have used on foot to edit a map in the > middle of the day. I have one of these too, with mounts for the car and motorcycle. I haven't yet sorted out a mount for the pushbike, but given that all urban and suburban areas around me are already mapped

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-22 Thread Liz
On Wed, 20 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > I tried JOSM briefly the other day but the entire background was black and > made it harder to use than potlatch. All of that is completely configurable - all the colours can be changed and a heap of other stuff. Potlatch makes it hard to do some things

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-22 Thread Liz
On Wed, 20 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > > Roundabouts.  Here we go again;) no, i was chastised and saw the light > > > > Have a read of this: > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts > > It would be nice to have options of various sized round about icons, > similar to how google d

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-22 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Fri, 22 May 2009 20:52:47 +1000 Liz wrote: > > > Having said that I have since found a mini-roundabout in > > > Mackay, next time > > > I'm there I'll take a photo and post it to the mailing > > > list.  It is just > > > "a low dome" approximately 1m in diameter with appropriate > > > signage.

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-22 Thread Liz
On Fri, 22 May 2009, Ross Scanlon wrote: > > and no, we don't have mini-roundabouts in australia, they are all > > roundabouts. > > Agree totally Liz but I did find one that matched the description in the > wiki. did it have a blue sign with white circulating arrows? (rhetorical question) __

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Fri, 22/5/09, Liz wrote: > > > Have a read of this: > > > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts > > there are separate tags for traffic calming devices > and no, we don't have mini-roundabouts in australia, they > are all roundabouts. Well according to the link you poste

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > > > > Have a read of this: > > > > > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts > > > > there are separate tags for traffic calming devices > > and no, we don't have mini-roundabouts in australia, they > > are all roundabouts. > > Well according

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 08:15:41 +1000 Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: > > > > > Have a read of this: > > > > > > > > > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts > > > > > > there are separate tags for traffic calming devices > > > and no, we don't have mini-r

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Matt White
Ross Scanlon wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2009 08:15:41 +1000 > Elizabeth Dodd wrote: > > >> On Sun, 24 May 2009, Delta Foxtrot wrote: >> >> Have a read of this: >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Roundabouts >> there are separate tags for traffic calming

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 09:42:07 +1000 Matt White wrote: > There's a current position? > > I just re-read the roundabout thread, and I couldn't see any actual > consensus - plenty of decent argument, which is good as it didn't > degenerate into a free for all - but no actual outcome. > > No real

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Matt White
Ross Scanlon wrote: > On Sun, 24 May 2009 09:42:07 +1000 > Matt White wrote: > > >> There's a current position? >> >> I just re-read the roundabout thread, and I couldn't see any actual >> consensus - plenty of decent argument, which is good as it didn't >> degenerate into a free for all - bu

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-23 Thread Ross Scanlon
On Sun, 24 May 2009 11:42:48 +1000 Matt White wrote: > >> There's a current position? > >> > >> I just re-read the roundabout thread, and I couldn't see any actual > >> consensus - plenty of decent argument, which is good as it didn't > >> degenerate into a free for all - but no actual outcome.

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-24 Thread Stephen Hope
2009/5/24 Ross Scanlon : > > This is a colabrative effort when it comes to marking up items, not just what > each person feels like entering because they think that's correct it has to > be consistent Australia wide not just in your little patch. > > That's why you need to read the full wiki and

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-24 Thread Ross Scanlon
> > Why are you using the source tag survey? There have been a number of > arguments that it should not be used as a tag unless you are actually > using survey equipment. It is suggested to use GPS instead, if that > is what you are getting your readings from. (These where on the talk > list, not

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-24 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Sun, 24/5/09, Stephen Hope wrote: > Why are you using the source tag survey?  There have > been a number of > arguments that it should not be used as a tag unless you > are actually > using survey equipment.  It is suggested to use GPS > instead, if that > is what you are getting your read

Re: [talk-au] Rivers

2009-05-24 Thread Delta Foxtrot
--- On Sun, 24/5/09, Ross Scanlon wrote: > And just that they are only arguments nothing has been > decided, most > surveyors use gps only now anyway. Yes, but their equipment is mm accuracy or better. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstr

[talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-20 Thread Markus
I am interested in adding some of the lakes and creeks in the national parks to OSM. Just to confirm this source to be ok to use. https://www.ga.gov.au/products/servlet/controller?event=GEOCAT_DETAILS&catno =61307 Regards, Markus. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.a

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 21:05, Markus wrote: > I am interested in adding some of the lakes and creeks in the national parks > to OSM. > > Just to confirm this source to be ok to use. The data doesn't belong to ga.gov.au, they link to psu.edu and on that page it says the data is quite out of date, did you

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-20 Thread John Smith
On 20 June 2010 21:24, John Smith wrote: > The data doesn't belong to ga.gov.au, they link to psu.edu and on that > page it says the data is quite out of date, did you look at the > rivers/streams data from data.australia.gov.au? The dataset I was thinking about only covers Qld... The good news i

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread Markus
.com] Sent: Sunday, 20 June 2010 8:54 PM To: Markus Cc: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams On 20 June 2010 21:05, Markus wrote: > I am interested in adding some of the lakes and creeks in the national parks > to OSM. > > Just to confirm this source to be

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 June 2010 17:59, Markus wrote: > It does look like the data is from about 10 to 15 years ago. > > Could I use this data instead. > > https://www.ga.gov.au/products/servlet/controller?event=GEOCAT_DETAILS&catno=64459 I couldn't see where to download it, the files some times come with license

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread Markus
lakes for the SA National Parks. I plan to do it park by park. Markus. -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 21 June 2010 6:26 PM To: Markus Cc: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams On 21 June 2010 17:59

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 21 June 2010 19:43, Markus wrote: > The data is part of the GIG Dataset - 250K scale > > Follow this link and choose Topography with Innamincka as an example for the > keyword and press show me results. I can't comment about all datasets, but I downloaded that particular dataset in shape forma

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread John Smith
On 22 June 2010 05:27, John Smith wrote: > "Unless otherwise noted, all Geoscience Australia material on this > website is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.5 > Australia Licence." You will need to tag at least all ways with: source=Geoscience Australia attribution=Based on Geosc

Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams

2010-06-21 Thread Markus
Thanks for that. Regards, Markus -Original Message- From: John Smith [mailto:deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 2010 5:05 AM To: Markus Cc: OSM Australian Talk List Subject: Re: [talk-au] Rivers and streams On 22 June 2010 05:27, John Smith wrote: > "Unless o

[talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them

2013-06-11 Thread Brett Russell
Hi I am now starting work on rivers and streams but would like some guidance on dealing with rivers that have dams on them. A good example is the Forth River in Tasmania. I have started building up the river banks as it can be quite wide using the polygon tagged riverbank and had no issues

Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them

2013-06-11 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. I would run the main waterway=river way through the lake polygon, like you run it through a riverbank polygon. - Ben Kelley On 12/06/2013 2:32 PM, "Brett Russell" wrote: > > Hi** > > I am now starting work on rivers and streams but would like some guidance > on dealing with rivers th

Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them

2013-06-16 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Brett Russell wrote: > > Also for drawing in rivers and streams it would be good in JOSM to have > Contours Australia as a data layer so I can deal with rivers and streams > that run under forest cover. > What license is this "Contours Australia" product under? Y

Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them

2013-06-17 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Brett Russell wrote: > So I researched the web I went edit->preference select the WMS-TSM box and > entered the following using the URL option. Err it did not work. Above is > the screen dump. > > Any pointers to what I have done wrong? > Sorry that should be ht

Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them

2013-06-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Brett Russell wrote: > I used OSM on a nine day Overland Track Wall and found it very good with the > Garmins that I was using. Used the routable maps and found they were about > a one kilometre in ten understated on distance due to fewer nodes recorded > in OSM c

Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams on them

2013-06-18 Thread Brett Russell
erest is maps on Garmin devices. The beauty of img files is it does not take too much "geek" power to get most Garmins working with OSM. Even my Fenix watch has OSM maps. Cheers Brett Russell > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 17:55:02 +1000 > Subject: Re: [talk-au] Rivers that have dams