Re: [talk-au] Blank map in remote country areas

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
The OSM map is great in hi density places like Europe and USA. The map is configured to show these places well, this is where most people look. In low density places like Australia, Africa, Siberia the map is devoid of information. What is needed is a bit of detection that the map lacks

Re: [talk-au] Blank map in remote country areas

2019-01-21 Thread Ben Kelley
Hi. So there are 2 issues (it seems): At what zoom does the road show, and at what zoom does the name show? Take for example https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/-31.7211/150.4649 At this zoom no roads have names. Zoom in to 12, and you see highway=unclassified roads that weren't visible

[talk-au] Blank map in remote country areas

2019-01-21 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
A while back, there was mention on the list of OSM only showing vast amounts of blank whiteness when looking at remote country areas; & then there was further mention regarding Aussie country roads not showing up well enough in OSM. A lady I speak to on another forum, lives in a small town in

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread cleary
In Sydney, many stops display the stop number but I'm not sure if we have another source for this data - in NSW, the convention is that the first four numbers are the postcode of the suburb. So all stops in Strathfield would have a 6 or 7 digit number with the first four digits being the

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
On 22/01/19 12:20, Warin wrote: On 22/01/19 12:03, Sam Wilson wrote: On 1/21/19 4:58 PM, Warin wrote: I have used (misused?) the ref to tag the routes that use that bus stop, then some one has put the stop 'number' in as local_ref. Possibly the stop number is a 'operator_ref' ... whatever, no

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
On 22/01/19 12:03, Sam Wilson wrote: On 1/21/19 4:58 PM, Warin wrote: I have used (misused?) the ref to tag the routes that use that bus stop, then some one has put the stop 'number' in as local_ref. Possibly the stop number is a 'operator_ref' ... whatever, no practical use to the normal

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread Sam Wilson
On 1/21/19 4:58 PM, Warin wrote: I have used (misused?) the ref to tag the routes that use that bus stop, then some one has put the stop 'number' in as local_ref. Possibly the stop number is a 'operator_ref' ... whatever, no practical use to the normal person. I actually find the ref super

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
Yes, I have seen the ref tag used for some number that occurs on the bus stop. I have used (misused?) the ref to tag the routes that use that bus stop, then some one has put the stop 'number' in as local_ref. Possibly the stop number is a 'operator_ref' ... whatever, no practical use to the

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread David Wales
Why not: name=Stand F, Strathfield Station addr:street=Albert Road On 22/1/19 11:26 am, Michael Collinson wrote: > In Sweden, I have seen the "F" going into the ref tag. Just a thought, I > don't recall how it affects rendering in common schemes. Con: Clash with > a more rigorous ref num giving

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread Sam Wilson
I agree, putting the stand name first makes sense. I've been putting ref=1234 tags on stands (with their ID from the sign), but for some reason haven't ever thought to add the name as well; I shall do so from now on. On 1/21/19 4:26 PM, Michael Collinson wrote: In Sweden, I have seen the "F"

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread Michael Collinson
In Sweden, I have seen the "F" going into the ref tag. Just a thought, I don't recall how it affects rendering in common schemes. Con: Clash with a more rigorous ref num giving by the transport authority, "40459" or such. Another (complementary) practice is to put just "F" as the name - which

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
Are there anydissenters? I'll give it a week. Any feed back from other places In Australia? On 21/01/19 20:00, cleary wrote: As a regular user of public transport, I agree. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Warin wrote: Hi, At present the names of bus stops goes something like

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
For me, split ways means that there is some barrier between the two. If there is no barrier then they should not be split. On 22/01/19 08:33, David Wales wrote: I don't know what the OSM convention is for this, but I tend to agree with Nemanja. It makes more sense to split the two halves of

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread David Wales
I don't know what the OSM convention is for this, but I tend to agree with Nemanja. It makes more sense to split the two halves of the road, rather than have them as a single way. On 22 January 2019 8:23:35 am AEDT, "Nemanja Bračko" wrote: >@Warin, > >I personally do not see why is it wrong

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Nemanja Bračko
@Warin, I personally do not see why is it wrong if you split? It is just two segments merged in one node. Geometry and data are exactly the same just it is represented as two, instead of one line. If we go deeper in this issue, it is actually wrong, because you have marked/mapped 2 physical

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Ben Kelley
Personally I think that's a handy warning. - Ben On Tue., 22 Jan. 2019, 07:25 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: > On 22/01/19 02:45, Nemanja Bračko wrote: > > I agree on that, but that's the way how this tool works. > > > So you will have to accept that the tool is wrong and ignore its

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Warin
On 22/01/19 02:45, Nemanja Bračko wrote: I agree on that, but that's the way how this tool works. So you will have to accept that the tool is wrong and ignore its output. Altering the map to comply with a tool that is wrong is wrong. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:32 PM Marc Gemis

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Nemanja Bračko
I agree on that, but that's the way how this tool works. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:32 PM Marc Gemis wrote: > I think the QA tool should/could see that the sharp corner is in a point > shared with another way and that there is no reason to report a warning. > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
I think the QA tool should/could see that the sharp corner is in a point shared with another way and that there is no reason to report a warning. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:26 PM Nemanja Bračko wrote: > Because tool doesn't know is this a special (allowed) case, or user's > mistake. It just

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Nemanja Bračko
Because tool doesn't know is this a special (allowed) case, or user's mistake. It just reports that geometry is not logical. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 4:21 PM Marc Gemis wrote: > Why does a split make any difference ? Is this a "special" feature of the > QA-tool you are using ? > The QA tool

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Why does a split make any difference ? Is this a "special" feature of the QA-tool you are using ? The QA tool should understand that the sharp U-turn is not the only route one can follow. m. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 10:58 AM Nemanja Bračko wrote: > Hi! > > You've been flagged as "Impossible

Re: [talk-au] Our work in last two weeks

2019-01-21 Thread Nemanja Bračko
Hi! You've been flagged as "Impossible angle in highway" many times because of these situations: [image: 2019-01-21 10_52_54-Window-min.jpg] Just split this way (do not map it as one segment), and you will avoid to get flagged. Best Regards, Nemanja On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:51 AM Horea

Re: [talk-au] Naming Bus Stops for interchanges in Sydney

2019-01-21 Thread cleary
As a regular user of public transport, I agree. On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, at 4:39 PM, Warin wrote: > Hi, > > > At present the names of bus stops goes something like > > name=Strathfield Station, Albert Rd (Stand F). > > > The web transport trip planers direct you to Stand F, yet this is not >