[talk-au] Queensland railway stations

[Richard Fairhurst]

Hi folks,

There appear to be a _lot_ of bogus rail stations on the map in Queensland:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=11/-21.0650/148.8397=T
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/-23.5706/150.1838=T

I think these are historic halts that haven't had service for many years but 
have mistakenly been added. They mostly seem to have been mapped by TheOldMiner 
who hasn't been active for four years.

Any rail enthusiasts or Queenslanders on this list who fancy cleaning them up?

cheers
Richard
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Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

[Phil Wyatt]

Thanks Andy, 

 

I have never received any emails from those addresses so I will also 
investigate the issue at my end now I have some information. I also don’t see 
anything in my junk bin (where my filters send any spurious mail).

 

Cheers - 

 

From: Andy Townsend  
Sent: Monday, 4 April 2022 6:57 PM
To: Phil Wyatt ; talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

 

On 04/04/2022 09:41, Phil Wyatt wrote:

Hi Andy,

 

I am aware of the volunteers doing this great work. My concern was that I had 
not received a confirmation that the email had been received and a ticket 
created. This has happened once before and I was led to believe the ticket 
creation to be automatic on receiving an email.

Our ticketing system thinks it sent you a message with subject 
"Ticket#202204021063] Re: Our phantom note creator is back ..." at 6:51 on 
2nd April.  Depending on how people have spam filters set up it's not unheard 
of for mails to end up in there.  The email will likely have come from  
 "o...@otrs.openstreetmap.org".

 

 

If its not an automatic process then please accept my apologies and I will make 
a suggestion that an autoresponder is installed so that we at least know that 
the email has arrived at the correct location.

 

Is the correct email address   
d...@openstreetmap.org or is it d...@otrs.openstreetmap.org 
  which others seemed to have used.

The full "I've seen a problem; what should I do?" story is on 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group , but addresses that 
will work include

*   d...@openstreetmap.org  
*   d...@osmfoundation.org  

and likely others involving "otrs" and a ticket number on the subject line, but 
the "official one that is likely to work best for most people" is  
 "d...@openstreetmap.org".

Best Regards,

Andy

 

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Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

[Andy Townsend]

On 04/04/2022 09:41, Phil Wyatt wrote:


Hi Andy,

I am aware of the volunteers doing this great work. My concern was 
that I had not received a confirmation that the email had been 
received and a ticket created. This has happened once before and I was 
led to believe the ticket creation to be automatic on receiving an email.


Our ticketing system thinks it sent you a message with subject 
"Ticket#202204021063] Re: Our phantom note creator is back ..." at 
6:51 on 2nd April.  Depending on how people have spam filters set up 
it's not unheard of for mails to end up in there. The email will likely 
have come from "o...@otrs.openstreetmap.org".



If its not an automatic process then please accept my apologies and I 
will make a suggestion that an autoresponder is installed so that we 
at least know that the email has arrived at the correct location.


Is the correct email address d...@openstreetmap.org or is it 
d...@otrs.openstreetmap.org which others seemed to have used.


The full "I've seen a problem; what should I do?" story is on 
https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Data_Working_Group , but addresses 
that will work include


 * d...@openstreetmap.org
 * d...@osmfoundation.org

and likely others involving "otrs" and a ticket number on the subject 
line, but the "official one that is likely to work best for most people" 
is "d...@openstreetmap.org".


Best Regards,

Andy

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Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

[Phil Wyatt]

Hi Andy,

 

I am aware of the volunteers doing this great work. My concern was that I had 
not received a confirmation that the email had been received and a ticket 
created. This has happened once before and I was led to believe the ticket 
creation to be automatic on receiving an email.

 

If its not an automatic process then please accept my apologies and I will make 
a suggestion that an autoresponder is installed so that we at least know that 
the email has arrived at the correct location.

 

Is the correct email address d...@openstreetmap.org 
  or is it d...@otrs.openstreetmap.org 
  which others seemed to have used.

 

Cheers - Phil

 

From: Andy Townsend  
Sent: Monday, 4 April 2022 6:26 PM
To: talk-au@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

 

Hello,

 

Andy from OSM's Data Working Group here. 

 

> Is there any other way to alert the Data working group? 

 

With respect, which part of "Please understand that our working group consists 
of volunteers only who do this job in their spare time. All incoming messages 
are read but processing them can take a little time." (in the acknowledgement 
that gets sent out to every DWG ticket) was unclear?  We got Phil's message 
6:51 UTC Saturday morning.  The user was blocked in 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5875 about 49 hours later, across a 
weekend.  Is that response not snappy enough for you? :)

 

With regard to the data that they've added, we'll give them a few days to 
respond to the questions that they have been asked and if we don't hear 
anything we'll revert and then likely redact the data.

 

With regard to the original notes, looking at the country feeds such as 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia , 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=United%20States and 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Canada it seems that most 
or all of the original notes have been closed and will disappear from the map 
in a few days.  I'm aware that there are "note cleanup" projects going on in 
Australia and elsewhere, so hopefully any stragglers will also get dealt with.

 

Best Regards,

 

Andy

 

 

 

On 04/04/2022 04:28, Phil Wyatt wrote:

Another 60 changesets this morning!

 

Is there any other way to alert the Data working group? I suspect there will be 
over 400 changesets to revert and they will get harder the longer he adds data.

 

Cheers

 

From: Phil Wyatt    
Sent: Monday, 4 April 2022 10:29 AM
To: 'Graeme Fitzpatrick'   
; 'Andrew Davidson'   
; 'OSM - Andrew Harvey'   

Cc: 'OpenStreetMap'   

Subject: Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

 

Hi Folks,

 

Can someone else please log a request to the Data Working Group re this user. I 
suspect me email is not getting to them as I have not even received an 
acknowledgement as yet (which I gather should be instantaneous)

 

He is still working away adding road names

 

Changesets in Australia by PopeyePopcord

 

  d...@openstreetmap.org

 

suggested reverts

 

 

119223580

119223590

119223592

119223605

119223620

119223637

119223650

119223659

119223666

119223674

119223683

119223719

119223741

119223758

119223766

119223781

119223790

119223806

119223819

119224021

119224028

119224065

119224109

119224938 - maybe dont revert this - SWAVU comment

119225009

119225018

119244811

119244940

119247805

119247832

119247850

119247892

119247910

119247919

119247973

119248033

119248057

119248118

119248169

119248239

119248274

119248322

119248753

119248767

119248789

119248810

119248822

119248862

119248914

119248959

119249026

119249073

119249093

119249135

119249266

119250024

119276663

119276678

119276773

119276793

119276824

119276841

119276875

119276933

119276992

119277068

119277105

119277136

119277169

119277230

119277248

119277257

119277364

119277377

119277756

119277793

119277821

119277902

119277945

119277971

119278013

119278024

119278060

119278075

119278139

119278155

119278198

119278239

119278334

119278421

119278439

119278464

 

 

Cheers - Phil

 

 

 

From: Phil Wyatt <  p...@wyatt-family.com> 
Sent: Sunday, 3 April 2022 12:32 PM
To: 'Graeme Fitzpatrick' <  
graemefi...@gmail.com>; 'Andrew Davidson' <  
thesw...@gmail.com>; 'OSM - Andrew Harvey' <  
andrew.harv...@gmail.com>
Cc: 'OpenStreetMap' <  
talk-au@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

 

Hi Folks,

 

He is back at it in Australia, mainly in aboriginal communities – adding street 
names and population and still no response for any changeset comments.

Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

[Andy Townsend]

Hello,

Andy from OSM's Data Working Group here.

> Is there any other way to alert the Data working group?

With respect, which part of "Please understand that our working group 
consists of volunteers only who do this job in their spare time. All 
incoming messages are read but processing them can take a little time." 
(in the acknowledgement that gets sent out to every DWG ticket) was 
unclear?  We got Phil's message 6:51 UTC Saturday morning.  The user was 
blocked in https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/5875 about 49 hours 
later, across a weekend.  Is that response not snappy enough for you? :)


With regard to the data that they've added, we'll give them a few days 
to respond to the questions that they have been asked and if we don't 
hear anything we'll revert and then likely redact the data.


With regard to the original notes, looking at the country feeds such as 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Australia , 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=United%20States and 
https://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-notes-country?c=Canada it seems that 
most or all of the original notes have been closed and will disappear 
from the map in a few days.  I'm aware that there are "note cleanup" 
projects going on in Australia and elsewhere, so hopefully any 
stragglers will also get dealt with.


Best Regards,

Andy



On 04/04/2022 04:28, Phil Wyatt wrote:


Another 60 changesets this morning!

Is there any other way to alert the Data working group? I suspect 
there will be over 400 changesets to revert and they will get harder 
the longer he adds data.


Cheers

*From:*Phil Wyatt 
*Sent:* Monday, 4 April 2022 10:29 AM
*To:* 'Graeme Fitzpatrick' ; 'Andrew Davidson' 
; 'OSM - Andrew Harvey' 

*Cc:* 'OpenStreetMap' 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

Hi Folks,

Can someone else please log a request to the Data Working Group re 
this user. I suspect me email is not getting to them as I have not 
even received an acknowledgement as yet (which I gather should be 
instantaneous)


He is still working away adding road names

Changesets in Australia by PopeyePopcord

d...@openstreetmap.org

suggested reverts

119223580

119223590

119223592

119223605

119223620

119223637

119223650

119223659

119223666

119223674

119223683

119223719

119223741

119223758

119223766

119223781

119223790

119223806

119223819

119224021

119224028

119224065

119224109

119224938 - maybe dont revert this - SWAVU comment

119225009

119225018

119244811

119244940

119247805

119247832

119247850

119247892

119247910

119247919

119247973

119248033

119248057

119248118

119248169

119248239

119248274

119248322

119248753

119248767

119248789

119248810

119248822

119248862

119248914

119248959

119249026

119249073

119249093

119249135

119249266

119250024

119276663

119276678

119276773

119276793

119276824

119276841

119276875

119276933

119276992

119277068

119277105

119277136

119277169

119277230

119277248

119277257

119277364

119277377

119277756

119277793

119277821

119277902

119277945

119277971

119278013

119278024

119278060

119278075

119278139

119278155

119278198

119278239

119278334

119278421

119278439

119278464

Cheers - Phil

*From:*Phil Wyatt 
*Sent:* Sunday, 3 April 2022 12:32 PM
*To:* 'Graeme Fitzpatrick' ; 'Andrew Davidson' 
; 'OSM - Andrew Harvey' 

*Cc:* 'OpenStreetMap' 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

Hi Folks,

He is back at it in Australia, mainly in aboriginal communities – 
adding street names and population and still no response for any 
changeset comments.


I am collecting all the changeset numbers but *no response from the 
data working group as yet*


Cheers - Phil

*From:*Graeme Fitzpatrick 
*Sent:* Saturday, 2 April 2022 4:52 PM
*To:* Andrew Davidson ; OSM - Andrew Harvey 


*Cc:* OpenStreetMap 
*Subject:* Re: [talk-au] Map Note Flood

Looks like we have somebody playing games?

https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3111672#map=15/-12.5048/135.8049

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PopeyePopcord

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/PopeyePopcord/history#map=6/-18.272/136.714

AndrewH - you may need to swap to DWG hat for a moment?

Thanks

Graeme

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 15:39, Graeme Fitzpatrick 
 wrote:


Just had a comment made by somebody in the US on one of the Notes
I worked on: https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3111658

Apparently copying from HERE.com

They have referred to DWG.

Thanks

Graeme

On Thu, 31 Mar 2022 at 11:50, Andrew Davidson 
wrote:

> On looking at the notes added in Australia, they do seem to
be an automated script comparing what’s in OSM to an external
source.
>
> The notes added to Nhulunbuy, Groote Eylandt and Maningrida
don’t seem to be coming from a suitable NT give source. One of
the notes suggests a street name for a road I was only able to
find in Google Maps.
>

That's the