Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-02-04 Thread Benoit Leseul
FWIW I had the same problem in Brussels when I tried to map regional routes as RCN (like the Canal route or the Promenade verte), as opposed to local/communal itineraries that exist too. Someone downgraded them to LCN because RCN was used for node networks around the region and they probably

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-02-04 Thread Glenn Plas
Do you have a user id and/or nodes/ways ? We can check the history and talk to this person, because in edit wars, it's usually the most determined one that prevails, not always the correct one... Glenn On 04-02-16 11:29, Benoit Leseul wrote: > FWIW I had the same problem in Brussels when I

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-31 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Glenn Plas wrote: > So nothing really special besides description that this is a 'highway' > and width. (and ... foot=no !). Indeed, in Germany you are not allowed to walk on a cycleway (white bicycle on blue background). Even when you get

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-31 Thread Glenn Plas
I was reading this small arcticle, http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/01/germany-launches-its-national-bike-autobahn-cycle-network/422451/ So in Germany they just opened up a piece of a long bicycle highway, I was intruiged, so I started looking for it in OSM. This is how germans currently tag

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-31 Thread Glenn Plas
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/267939617 > So nothing really special besides description that this is a 'highway' > and width. (and ... foot=no !). I forgot to mention the important fact that there is a route relation for that purpose. http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5697663 Glenn

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-26 Thread Ben Laenen
On Sunday 24 January 2016 22:38:06 Sander Deryckere wrote: > I think we should get away from those rcn, lcn and ncn networks. And be > freer in the allowed networks. > > Even now there are problems with rcn networks used for cycle nodes, as > those are getting introduced in France and Germany,

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-25 Thread Marc Gemis
On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: > This is however something that has to be discussed on a higher level than > Belgium. Where is this place ? As Glenn wrote, here is a good place to discuss first. When no solution is found, or when you want to hear

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-25 Thread Matthieu Gaillet
Hi, thanks all for your answers. I agree with Jo and Sander : there is something missing in the current way of describing those bicycle highways which are indeed very specific in their realisation (exactly like a car highway) and their use (connecting cities). I don’t agree with Sander when

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-25 Thread Glenn Plas
> However, before talking about relation, I think a specific value should > be introduced for the _highway key_ : “cyclehighway" for instance. This > would help the renderer to show those infrastructures differently than > the usual “cycleway” (the infamous "piste cyclable” that usually sounds >

[OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-24 Thread Matthieu Gaillet
Hi, Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. I was wondering if anything was foreseen to tag such highways ? If not, what's the best place to discuss this, since I guess this should be uniform at world

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-24 Thread Glenn Plas
Nothing really special about them, highway=cycleway should be appropriate. Glenn On 24-01-16 13:12, Matthieu Gaillet wrote: > Hi, > > Below you will find some information about the developing bicycle > highways (or fast cycling routes) a bit everywhere in the world. > > I was wondering if

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-24 Thread Sander Deryckere
Bicycle highways are more like bicycle routes than different highway types. They are a route specifically made for commuting, connecting residential area with some work center in a rather straight line. As such, I think those could get tagged as a cycle route with some specific sub tags (like a

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-24 Thread Jo
Between Leuven and Brussels they are marked in a way that is verifiable on the ground. We need a separate 'network' tag for them though, and it would be nice to see they get rendered on the specialised bicycle maps. Jo 2016-01-24 15:31 GMT+01:00 Sander Deryckere : >

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-24 Thread Marc Gemis
The Fiets-o-Strade between Antwerpen en Mechelen is a relation [1]. I don't know who created it. As far as I remember there are "maps" along the route. I think the blue sign [2] is indicating it. For the rest you will only see destination signs for cyclist [3] [1]

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-24 Thread Erik B
There is a problem with the 'network' tag for those Fietsostrades. The change of the network tag of the HST-Route Leuven-Brussel by the creator 3 years ago from 'network=rcn' to 'network=lcn' is justified "to solve a color conflict with the cycle node network". This looks like tagging for the

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Bicycle highways

2016-01-24 Thread Sander Deryckere
I think we should get away from those rcn, lcn and ncn networks. And be freer in the allowed networks. Even now there are problems with rcn networks used for cycle nodes, as those are getting introduced in France and Germany, while those countries already use those networks for other route types.