[OSM-talk-be] How do I tag these addresses?
Hi, When I started mapping, I tried to map this place: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.810407lon=3.301597zoom=18layers=M, and with bing images: http://binged.it/w1gsNq (don't look at the names in Bing, they're just wrong). But when I was home, I couldn't get any of the names right, so I changed it all to fixme's. Now, after a long time, I went back and understood how everything is (with the help of satellite images that weren't available back then). Apparently, the front doors of those houses are on the side of the footpaths (where you can't drive your car). While the post boxes are on the side of the service roads (where you can drive your car). Now, where should I place the address POI? At the front door? Or at the place where you have the post box and can drive with your car? And is it OK how I tagged the streets? I tried to use the results we got from a discussion some weeks ago about streets with a dual name. As a final thing, is there a way to use associated street relations on this (if so, with which way)? Regards, Sander ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] How do I tag these addresses?
This is very much a corner case...
Step 1:
Select a node with a low housenumber. Press 'a' and connect to a higher
housenumber.
Select this new way and tag it with: addr:interpolation=even (or odd, of
course).
Select one of the footways with a simple name by means of Ctrl-LMB (left
mouse button)
Now you have two ways selected.
Now I press 'e', but that's not the default shortcut key for Address
Interpolation (oh, it helps a lot if you install the associatedStreet and
terracer plugins)
Then a dialog window comes up.
Click on the radio button
o Relation (Create new) (the first time at least)
and tick
v Convert way to individual house numbers.
All the rest is not needed and would be added as tags in the wrong place
Two things happened. An associatedStreet relation was created for you, you
can add addr:city addr:country addr:postcode yourself to it, as tags. No
need to repeat those on every address node..
The other thing that happened is, you have an address node for each house
now.
Now it kind of depends. If you want those house numbers to be applied to
building outline closedways, then proceed as follows:
I use 'w' to create a rectangular building around all those address nodes
There is no need for this to be exact, it will become clear why right away.
Now open the associatedStreet relation and select all the houses, then
press the button which selects those address nodes. ('select objects for
selected relation members' is the tooltip)
(Make sure you close the relation editor window at this point, otherwise
you'll get an edit conflict later on)
Then use Ctrl-LMB to add the building outline and you can also select one
of its corner nodes, which is nearer to the lower number.
Now I press 't', to activate the terracer plugin.
No need to tick create an associatedStreet relation, we already have that
Leave
v delete outline way ticked
Some serious magic happens and all the address nodes have disappeared
(including their history). The info on them now belongs to the building
outline closedways, which were created.
Reopen the associatedStreet relation and all those buildings to it, assign
the role 'house' to them.
To be continued... I have to run
(I'm creating an example, but it's not done yet)
Jo
2011/11/26 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
Hi,
When I started mapping, I tried to map this place:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.810407lon=3.301597zoom=18layers=M,
and with bing images: http://binged.it/w1gsNq (don't look at the names in
Bing, they're just wrong).
But when I was home, I couldn't get any of the names right, so I changed
it all to fixme's. Now, after a long time, I went back and understood how
everything is (with the help of satellite images that weren't available
back then).
Apparently, the front doors of those houses are on the side of the
footpaths (where you can't drive your car). While the post boxes are on the
side of the service roads (where you can drive your car).
Now, where should I place the address POI? At the front door? Or at the
place where you have the post box and can drive with your car?
And is it OK how I tagged the streets? I tried to use the results we got
from a discussion some weeks ago about streets with a dual name.
As a final thing, is there a way to use associated street relations on
this (if so, with which way)?
Regards,
Sander
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] How do I tag these addresses?
2011/11/26 Jo winfi...@gmail.com
This is very much a corner case...
Step 1:
Select a node with a low housenumber. Press 'a' and connect to a higher
housenumber.
Select this new way and tag it with: addr:interpolation=even (or odd, of
course).
Select one of the footways with a simple name by means of Ctrl-LMB (left
mouse button)
Now you have two ways selected.
Now I press 'e', but that's not the default shortcut key for Address
Interpolation (oh, it helps a lot if you install the associatedStreet and
terracer plugins)
Then a dialog window comes up.
Click on the radio button
o Relation (Create new) (the first time at least)
and tick
v Convert way to individual house numbers.
All the rest is not needed and would be added as tags in the wrong place
Two things happened. An associatedStreet relation was created for you, you
can add addr:city addr:country addr:postcode yourself to it, as tags. No
need to repeat those on every address node..
The other thing that happened is, you have an address node for each house
now.
Now it kind of depends. If you want those house numbers to be applied to
building outline closedways, then proceed as follows:
I use 'w' to create a rectangular building around all those address nodes
There is no need for this to be exact, it will become clear why right away.
Now open the associatedStreet relation and select all the houses, then
press the button which selects those address nodes. ('select objects for
selected relation members' is the tooltip)
(Make sure you close the relation editor window at this point, otherwise
you'll get an edit conflict later on)
Then use Ctrl-LMB to add the building outline and you can also select one
of its corner nodes, which is nearer to the lower number.
Now I press 't', to activate the terracer plugin.
No need to tick create an associatedStreet relation, we already have that
Leave
v delete outline way ticked
Some serious magic happens and all the address nodes have disappeared
(including their history). The info on them now belongs to the building
outline closedways, which were created.
Reopen the associatedStreet relation and all those buildings to it, assign
the role 'house' to them.
To be continued... I have to run
(I'm creating an example, but it's not done yet)
OK, I'm back. The example will be uploaded as soon as I'm happy with it.
While the associatedStreet relation is open, you can also add the
highway=service to it, and give it a role=street.
I like to order the houses by housenumber and put the streets at the end.
When you sort the relation with the inbuilt sorting routine of the JOSM
relation editor, the streets go first. That's not very important.
You can add all the other street segments which have the same name and
which happen to be in the same 'gemeente' and which share the same postcode.
Now you will find that those houses aren't exactly rectangular, so you'll
have to use 'x' to extrude a lot and all the other regular editing aids at
your disposal. 'q' to make everything orthogonal.
If you now where the front door is, because you can determine it from bing,
or because you have survey pictures, you can add nodes with entrance=main
on the contour.
I also prefer to use building=house instead of building=yes, some people
even start tagging the shape of the rooftops... (to get nice 3D renderings,
and why not, but I'm not that far gone yet)
Now this is how I was doing it before I went to have a look in France, say
before the RMLL in Strasbourg in July.
Over there they are doing things a bit differently. The French claim they
got the idea in Germany, but the same discussion just occurred on talk-de
and the Germans prefer to do things as it 's currently described on the
wiki.
The other way of working is to preserve the existing address nodes (and
thus their history) and to put them on the contour, adding entrance=main to
them, where appropriate.
I tend to like that, as it allows to see both house numbers and name tags
on the buildings. Those names are usually the name of a business in that
building.
Let me know if something is not clear and then take all this text, modify
it as needed and create a wiki page from it. (You can leave out the remarks
at the end, if you like)
The price for this whole explanation is a few photos of the bus stops in
that neighbourhood... :-)
If you make those pictures, you can send them to fotoshaltesdel...@gmail.com
Many thanks and you can, of course, let me know if something is not as
clear as it should be.
Jo
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] How do I tag these addresses?
I use a slightly different way than Jo describes: For terraces (rijhuizen) I purely use the terrace tool. This creates the associates street as well if needed. It can add to an existing relation as well. So I create 1 big building with the building tool (w). Select the building and the road. Run the terrace tool (shift-T for me). Fill in lowest and highest number, press enter. This divides the large building in equally size houses Depending on the direction of the road, you might have to reverse the terrace.(shift-R for me) This works fine when all houses have the same size (depth) You can use the tool under 'x' to extrude certain parts of the houses, but you might get crossing buildings (warning in Josm). In your case it will work fine, because all houses have L-shapes For separated houses, it is better to create the individual house numbers as Jo described it. a separate line parallel to the road, pointing in the direction of the higher numbers. Run the tool to create the house numbers . I do not work with 1 large building anymore. I move he house numbers to the center of each hous on the bing photo. I then create individual buildings around each number. The building tool joins the house number with the building. So I do not have to separate the houses anymore (as in Jo's technique). This is faster for me. In this case the 'x' tool works great for L-shaped houses or other extension to the rectangular base shape. There is usually no problem with overlapping houses in this case hope this helps m. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
Re: [OSM-talk-be] How do I tag these addresses?
That's the difference between 'city folk' and people who live amongst villas :-) Just kidding. Please don't stop sending photos of bus stops now. We're on a roll. Anyway, for houses in a row, the technique works fine, for freestanding houses, I'd also use Marc's technique. I was simply creating a few as an example and taking note of every single action I was performing. A few months ago I even created a little 'movie', a screencast. Oh, I was so proud I put these 2 plugins together and made them do my bidding :-) But Youtube didn't like the format for some reason. I should be able to find it, somewhere on my hard drive, or in my gmail sent messages, if there is interest though. Adding the associatedStreet plugin to the technique helps especially, when there are already (irregularly numbered) nodes with housenumbers on an addr:interpolation way. Or when some of those nodes already have more tags, like POIs, shops, amenities, etc. Cheers, Jo 2011/11/26 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com I use a slightly different way than Jo describes: For terraces (rijhuizen) I purely use the terrace tool. This creates the associates street as well if needed. It can add to an existing relation as well. So I create 1 big building with the building tool (w). Select the building and the road. Run the terrace tool (shift-T for me). Fill in lowest and highest number, press enter. This divides the large building in equally size houses Depending on the direction of the road, you might have to reverse the terrace.(shift-R for me) This works fine when all houses have the same size (depth) You can use the tool under 'x' to extrude certain parts of the houses, but you might get crossing buildings (warning in Josm). In your case it will work fine, because all houses have L-shapes For separated houses, it is better to create the individual house numbers as Jo described it. a separate line parallel to the road, pointing in the direction of the higher numbers. Run the tool to create the house numbers . I do not work with 1 large building anymore. I move he house numbers to the center of each hous on the bing photo. I then create individual buildings around each number. The building tool joins the house number with the building. So I do not have to separate the houses anymore (as in Jo's technique). This is faster for me. In this case the 'x' tool works great for L-shaped houses or other extension to the rectangular base shape. There is usually no problem with overlapping houses in this case hope this helps m. ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be ___ Talk-be mailing list Talk-be@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be
